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Old 01-23-2016, 10:40 PM   #126 (permalink)
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My truck can idle all winter and still be on the cold mark; I have to drive it to warm it up and if it's cold enough I can watch the gauge fall at a stop light
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Old 01-23-2016, 11:31 PM   #127 (permalink)
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My truck can idle all winter and still be on the cold mark; I have to drive it to warm it up and if it's cold enough I can watch the gauge fall at a stop light
you have thermostat issues. It's stuck open. Nothing to brag about since you're stuck in open loop longer and you waste more fuel for no reason beyond well.. it's a new year so I'll try to be nice.

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Old 01-23-2016, 11:36 PM   #128 (permalink)
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That's completely untrue, try again. Or maybe you'd like to be coy and use a one-word response again.

Cold-running engine strategies retard the ignition timing while initially driving putting additional heat in the exhaust / cooling system. This causes the temperature to rise significantly in the emissions systems and warms the engine quicker - however none of these strategies are in use when the engine is idling and the vehicle is not moving.

In fact if you look in most new cars owners manuals they will say not to idle the engine for extended periods in cold weather. But you guys are right, PBB mechanics know more than the engineers who designed the engines and emissions systems.
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Old 01-23-2016, 11:48 PM   #129 (permalink)
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That's completely untrue, try again. Or maybe you'd like to be coy and use a one-word response again.

Cold-running engine strategies retard the ignition timing while initially driving putting additional heat in the exhaust / cooling system. This causes the temperature to rise significantly in the emissions systems and warms the engine quicker - however none of these strategies are in use when the engine is idling and the vehicle is not moving.

In fact if you look in most new cars owners manuals they will say not to idle the engine for extended periods in cold weather. But you guys are right, PBB mechanics know more than the engineers who designed the engines and emissions systems.

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Old 01-24-2016, 12:03 AM   #130 (permalink)
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you have thermostat issues. It's stuck open. Nothing to brag about since you're stuck in open loop longer and you waste more fuel for no reason beyond well.. it's a new year so I'll try to be nice.
Agreed. My 7.3 warms up just as quick as any gas motor. When I bought it it had no thermostat, It never got to operating temp unless I was towing for a while.

There was however a thread here somewhere where canadians were discussing the fact that the new diesel jettas were unable to warm up in ridiculously low temps.

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Old 01-24-2016, 12:25 AM   #131 (permalink)
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If I don't warm up one of the Italian engines it will destroy itself before 2500 rpm. I've pulled a fresh rebuild, with about 2k miles, apart that the guy didn't let warm up and bearings are shot, pistons are torched, cylinder walls are scored to shit, etc. We had to show him how the choke works

As for my own stuff, depends on the car/bike, I let bikes warm up to just about operating temp, the Toyota I let warm up for about a minute then don't shift above 2500 for a few minutes.

And yes, I do so with the engine life in mind, I don't want to be replacing bearings every 20k miles
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If I don't warm up one of the Italian engines it will destroy itself before 2500 rpm. I've pulled a fresh rebuild, with about 2k miles, apart that the guy didn't let warm up and bearings are shot, pistons are torched, cylinder walls are scored to shit, etc. We had to show him how the choke works

As for my own stuff, depends on the car/bike, I let bikes warm up to just about operating temp, the Toyota I let warm up for about a minute then don't shift above 2500 for a few minutes.

And yes, I do so with the engine life in mind, I don't want to be replacing bearings every 20k miles
what italian engine is that? Carb or EFI? What part of th Earth is this where an engine designed on Earth cannot idle after being started?
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what italian engine is that? Carb or EFI? What part of th Earth is this where an engine designed on Earth cannot idle after being started?
Alfa Romeo aluminum, with sleeves, 1300 and 1600 with either dual side draft Webers or a single Solex from the 50s and 60s typically. Where did I say they won't idle? Never heard of EFI w a choke either, pay attention. They don't run for shit until warm, and they'll blow head gaskets if ran too hard too quick.

Or the early Ferrari v12s with three two barrels, they're a little easier on start up but they need to be warmed up too.
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you have thermostat issues. It's stuck open. Nothing to brag about since you're stuck in open loop longer and you waste more fuel for no reason beyond well.. it's a new year so I'll try to be nice.
Thermostat works. I had to flush the system last year when it was cold and it took about a half hour of driving to get the t-stat to open up so i can put the rest of the anti-freeze in. Its a 7.3 it starts and does everything else fine but maybe my definition of cold is lower than yours
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Alfa Romeo aluminum, with sleeves, 1300 and 1600 with either dual side draft Webers or a single Solex from the 50s and 60s typically. Where did I say they won't idle? Never heard of EFI w a choke either, pay attention. They don't run for shit until warm, and they'll blow head gaskets if ran too hard too quick.

Or the early Ferrari v12s with three two barrels, they're a little easier on start up but they need to be warmed up too.
So old carbureted Italian shit. No O2 sensors, no fuel trim and no real business in this thread rather than bragging that you work on Ferraris YET AGAIN!
Got it.

We get it, You change oil on Ferraris. ...old Ferraris.

Good job kid!

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Old 01-24-2016, 01:22 AM   #136 (permalink)
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So old carbureted Italian shit. No O2 sensors, no fuel trim and no real business in this thread rather than bragging that yopu work on Ferraris again.

Got it.

We get it, You change oil on Ferraris. ...old Ferraris.

Good job kid!
You asked lol

If you wanna talk about new stuff, pretty much everything has o2 sensors and a computer so the whole thread is irrelevant
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Alfa Romeo aluminum, with sleeves, 1300 and 1600 with either dual side draft Webers or a single Solex from the 50s and 60s typically. Where did I say they won't idle? Never heard of EFI w a choke either, pay attention. They don't run for shit until warm, and they'll blow head gaskets if ran too hard too quick.

Or the early Ferrari v12s with three two barrels, they're a little easier on start up but they need to be warmed up too.
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You asked lol

If you wanna talk about new stuff, pretty much everything has o2 sensors and a computer so the whole thread is irrelevant
No genius. The OP topic was about MODERN VEHICLES and warming up.

Doesn't matter though.

I'm sure Ferrari made backpedaling better too!




... it just one more pedal right?
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No genius. The OP topic was about MODERN VEHICLES and warming up.

Doesn't matter though.

I'm sure Ferrari made backpedaling better too!




... it just one more pedal right?
Wtf got into your panties tonight?
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Nothing. You just seem to like to drop the "Ferrari Bomb" on a bunch of auto threads (this guy works on Ferraris so I shouldn't mess with him) and you are surprised I called you on one. I asked you a question. Are you going to answer it?
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Nothing. You just seem to like to drop the "Ferrari Bomb" on a bunch of auto threads (this guy works on Ferraris so I shouldn't mess with him) and you are surprised I called you on one. I asked you a question. Are you going to answer it?
I haven't dropped a "Ferrari bomb" in a long time here, but I'm sorry I share my experience with the group. I'll stop, don't want to come across like I'm trying to intimidate anyone. Sounds like the only one thinking that is you though...

Which question is that? The pedal question? Lol calm down buddy
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Sweet. I dropped the forklift bomb and no one shit all over me.

He works on Chevrolets.
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Old 01-24-2016, 02:02 AM   #142 (permalink)
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I haven't dropped a "Ferrari bomb" in a long time here, but I'm sorry I share my experience with the group. I'll stop, don't want to come across like I'm trying to intimidate anyone. Sounds like the only one thinking that is you though...

Which question is that? The pedal question? Lol calm down buddy
I'm, calm. It's all good.
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Sweet. I dropped the forklift bomb and no one shit all over me.

He works on Chevrolets.
About that... fuck you and your uppity Hyster shit. I've heard just about enough about Hyster.
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About that... fuck you and your uppity Hyster shit. I've heard just about enough about Hyster.
Hyster lol. I deal with em... but thank god I dont deal with em much.
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I warm up my 73 K30 plowtruck with a 454 and a manual choked 750 doublepumper or it dies 2 or 3 times. I warm up my 77 Jimmy with a manually choked quadrajet because the power steering belt squeaks like a mofo if I don't, but they aren't DDs by any means. They do both fire right up no matter how cold it is, which is a very good thing. If there is not ice on the windshield of my FI 88 Ranger I hop in and go. It is my DD.
yeah my k30 is the same way, itll start up and idle but wont really go anywhere til its warmed up.

interesting to see how many people do warm up their vehicle for engine life i thought everyone just did it cause they didnt want to be cold themselves.
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interesting to see how many people do warm up their vehicle for engine life i thought everyone just did it cause they didnt want to be cold themselves.
Yea no shit!

All the diesel airport equipment i worked with/on we idled them all winter because it was such a bitch to get it started in the first place that we were afraid it would never start again if we shut it off!! It was a cornucopia of military surplus equipment and old airline equipment 20yrs past the end of its usable life.


Ill join in with ferrari boy on the one upping and mention that a lot of small turbo prop aircraft you have to start and warm them up to check the oil level
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Whatever. i'm warming mine up.
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"Before 1980, carburetors were the heart that kept car engines pumping.

From the 1980s onward, however, electronic fuel injection took over and is still what powers today’s car engines
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Huh. I guess no one told Jeep that.

My 1990 is carbureted.

I am stuck warming my junk up.
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I let mine idle for 60 seconds or so because I don't like pulling out of the driveway at 1500rpm, a bit hard on the clutch. Its a 2010 so it's chock full of emissions shite.

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Thermostat works. I had to flush the system last year when it was cold and it took about a half hour of driving to get the t-stat to open up so i can put the rest of the anti-freeze in. Its a 7.3 it starts and does everything else fine but maybe my definition of cold is lower than yours
How cold are we talking? I start my 01 7.3 in 20 degree temps and within 10 minutes of idling and 2 miles of very light driving my heater is blasting.
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