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Old 01-29-2016, 01:06 PM   #26 (permalink)
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The decorator that hired your Dad should make things right.
Pretty much this. If your dad was hired by the decorator, he's a subcontractor and needs to be paid by the prime. If the homeowner is unhappy with the job, that's between he and the prime, not the subcontractor. That said, your dad did the job he was hired to do, his burden ends there and he deserves to be paid for his time.
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Send them a bill in the mail. They will probably pay it. None of the rich people I know pay there own bills. It will get paid and he will get his money before they know it happened. If ever.
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Pretty much this. If your dad was hired by the decorator, he's a subcontractor and needs to be paid by the prime. If the homeowner is unhappy with the job, that's between he and the prime, not the subcontractor. That said, your dad did the job he was hired to do, his burden ends there and he deserves to be paid for his time.
I agree with this. That said, contracts, even ones that are poorly written, are at least a documented agreement for service. At least he would have something to walk into court with. I would sue just out of principle, but I'm contrary like that.
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I used to know a guy who built big masonry fireplaces and chimneys. When he got the final payment he would go drop a brick down the chimney to break the glass he had put in the chimney about mid height to prevent these types of things.
That's genius.
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lien might be the easiest way to go depending on state laws. In a lot states you only have 30 days to file a intent to lien on residential, so don't screw around.
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I used to know a guy who built big masonry fireplaces and chimneys. When he got the final payment he would go drop a brick down the chimney to break the glass he had put in the chimney about mid height to prevent these types of things.
Thats awesome.
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Thats awesome.
Small claims court or a mechanic's lien. He won't be able to do anything with the property with a lien on it. All Dad has to do is prove he did the work and completed the install. The fact that the guy doesn't like the materials is an entirely different and unrelated matter. Install to spec, get paid. Dude needs to ante up.



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Old 01-29-2016, 02:01 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I used to know a guy who built big masonry fireplaces and chimneys. When he got the final payment he would go drop a brick down the chimney to break the glass he had put in the chimney about mid height to prevent these types of things.
I can't say it didn't happen but it's all over the Internet and traces back to the 1930's...
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Old 01-29-2016, 02:17 PM   #33 (permalink)
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My Dad just called me, the guy paid him $550 of the $700. The homeowner is happy with three of the four walls, even though they are all identical. Dad is writing off the rest.

I mentioned that he needs to use work orders or some sort of written agreement for his jobs. He said, "I've been hanging paper for 40 years. This is the first time I've never been paid, I'll be okay." Okay Dad...
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At that price throw a dozen roundup water balloons in his yard and call it a day.
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And he's telling the truth. Once in 40 years is a damn good record.
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[QUOTE=socsmm6;35311946The wall paper is not his, it belongs to the home owner. [/QUOTE]

Seems to me that if dad wasn't paid the wallpaper would still belong to him....

I agree there'd be all kinds of legal trouble going there and ripping it down, but saying it belongs to the homeowner doesn't make sense.
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Seems to me that if dad wasn't paid the wallpaper would still belong to him....

I agree there'd be all kinds of legal trouble going there and ripping it down, but saying it belongs to the homeowner doesn't make sense.
The homeowner bought the wallpaper, then paid OP's dad to hang it. Thus, the wallpaper belongs to the homeowner.


I think he should go after the decorator for the other $150.
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I used to know a guy who built big masonry fireplaces and chimneys. When he got the final payment he would go drop a brick down the chimney to break the glass he had put in the chimney about mid height to prevent these types of things.
So what happens when you mail him a payment and then when you get home from the post office you have a fire in your fireplace?
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So what happens when you mail him a payment and then when you get home from the post office you have a fire in your fireplace?
And what?, the guy gets his final check and says "hey I forgot my wallet on the top of your chimney, I'm going to unload the ladders and go up and get it"
Awkward.
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And what?, the guy gets his final check and says "hey I forgot my wallet on the top of your chimney, I'm going to unload the ladders and go up and get it"
Awkward.
And what about the broken glass suddenly appearing in the hearth? No problem just clean it up and explain it to customer how you booby trapped ann honest person's chimney..And if the mason doesn't get back in time and the house fills with smoke ? See ya in court....

The mason was telling a tale......
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Old 01-29-2016, 03:49 PM   #41 (permalink)
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So what happens when you mail him a payment and then when you get home from the post office you have a fire in your fireplace?
I don't know. He's dead now. Shall I have a seance and ask him? I saw him do it on a 12 million dollar house. Not sure what the outcome was.
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My Dad just called me, the guy paid him $550 of the $700. The homeowner is happy with three of the four walls, even though they are all identical. Dad is writing off the rest.

I mentioned that he needs to use work orders or some sort of written agreement for his jobs. He said, "I've been hanging paper for 40 years. This is the first time I've never been paid, I'll be okay." Okay Dad...
Good on your Dad. Nothing wrong with good ole trust and in 40 yrs it has worked. Old school ways are sometimes what humanity needs.
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I used to know a guy who built big masonry fireplaces and chimneys. When he got the final payment he would go drop a brick down the chimney to break the glass he had put in the chimney about mid height to prevent these types of things.
Interesting story. Snopes shows it as a "Legend", but it is actually pretty genius.

Crafty Worker's Boobytrap : snopes.com

A mason builds a new fireplace for a wealthy man. When the mason finishes the job, he asks for his money, but the wealthy client says he can't pay just now. He doesn't have the right change. That's all right, the mason says. But if he has to wait, then the client does too. The wealthy man agrees. He won't build a fire in his new chimney until he's paid the mason. The mason goes home. Just an hour or so later, his wealthy client appears at the door. "My house is full of smoke, goddammit!"

"I told you not to use that chimney until you paid me," says the mason. "When you pay me, I'll fix it."

So the client gets out his wallet, which is full of change after all, and the mason returns to the rich man's house. The mason brings a brick with him. He carries the brick up a ladder to the roof and drops it down the chimney, smashing out the pane of glass he had mortared across the flue.


Origins: How Cartoon of the legend long this story has been around is anyone's guess. Some date it as far back as the 1930s or 1940s. It's still in vogue, though — in 1994 a caller to a Los Angeles radio show told this legend on the air.

One long-standing complaint about workmen is that once they've been paid, they lose interest in finishing the job at hand. Not only is this stereotype unfair, but it also disguises the fact that the reverse can be true: workmen also sometimes have difficulty collecting money due to them from customers who lose interest in paying once the job is complete. Though we'd like to believe the scenario described here did play out in real life, it's more likely a case of wishful thinking fashioned into a story — one which celebrates the blue-collar guy who was smart enough to retain the upper hand. The homeowner is usually described as well-to-do, and his reluctance to pay is never based upon a dispute over the quality of the work or the completeness of the job. We therefore cheer for the clever workman who finds an inventive way to force timely payment of what's owed him.

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Fan-Fucking-tastic!

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My Dad just called me, the guy paid him $550 of the $700. The homeowner is happy with three of the four walls, even though they are all identical. Dad is writing off the rest.

I mentioned that he needs to use work orders or some sort of written agreement for his jobs. He said, "I've been hanging paper for 40 years. This is the first time I've never been paid, I'll be okay." Okay Dad...
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At that price throw a dozen roundup water balloons in his yard and call it a day.
Nope, that's vandalism. Pour fertilizer in the shape of a penis. The grass will grow faster and greener than the surrounding lawn, and it's not damage.
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Seems to me that if dad wasn't paid the wallpaper would still belong to him....

I agree there'd be all kinds of legal trouble going there and ripping it down, but saying it belongs to the homeowner doesn't make sense.
More than likely it really does not matter who bought the paper. It is now part of the house. You can't reposes it.
Had a cousin install cabinets in a few spec houses for a contractor. Contractor sold a couple of the houses and filed bankruptcy without paying any of the subs. By law he could not repo any of the cabinets because they were fixtures of the house. Cousin ended up going bankrupt because of it, and a few other things.
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