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Old 01-31-2016, 08:26 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I had a buddy with a 98 Durango and he got hit head on and walked away so I'm of the belief that they're decent rigs. I'm not a brand fanboy, but I like to know what to look for.
So your criteria for a vehicle to drive is that it crashes well, ancedotally? You really are an engineer.

First gen toyota tundra is a little more money and a lot more truck.

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FWIW I've had an 01 Tahoe for 5 yrs and the only things I've done were fuel pump at 200,000,trans at 220,000, and brakes. The fuel pump and trans were the original units. I'm at 270,000 now and not a worry, would trust it to go anywhere. Parts are cheap and plentiful, its comfortable, and plenty of power.
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So your criteria for a vehicle to drive is that it crashes well, ancedotally? You really are an engineer.

First gen toyota tundra is a little more money and a lot more truck.
I was looking at tundra as well. Anything wrong with the first gen tundras?

And I just meant they were safe. Considering I just got spun 360* jn a fucking honda hatchback safety is kind of a priority.
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Looks like this thread turned into a "talk Bryan into a full size thread"...
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F150 with a 5.4. All I know is that the 5.4 likes to snap spark plugs into the heads and the exhaust manifolds all crack.

Early 2000s chevy with a 5.3: previously mentioned common electrical plus most likely reasonably high mileage..

Tundra with tundra v8?: I know dick all about these trucks
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Its an old rig...price seems close. Having dealt with Tiny one time I consider him a hell of a mechanic and a better person than you would think owns a used car lot. I went there on a recommendation of a friend that has known him for years... I'd do it if it meets all your needs and is in your budget.

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Seems like a decent rig, that's why I asked. I know which lots in this town are shit or not, my family has been in the car industry in spokane for some time now.

@SanDiegoCJ: well, we can't all afford brand new vehicles. And on top of that, just because it is a used car lot doesn't mean it is a shitty used car lot.
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I was looking at tundra as well. Anything wrong with the first gen tundras?

And I just meant they were safe. Considering I just got spun 360* jn a fucking honda hatchback safety is kind of a priority.
I was just busting your balls about the crash.
I have an 03 tundra with 226000 hard miles and it runs like new. They are great trucks.
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On the used car lot comments, I have bought half a dozen vehicles from 3 different lots. I have also sold a couple of vehicles on consignment at one of those 3 lots. I never had a problem with any of them that wasn't told to me upfront. I never felt like I got screwed. There are trustworthy people in ever type of business, including used car lots. The hard part is finding the honest ones.

Maybe the Toyotas and Rangers, etc are priced high because they are actually worth owning. The Dakota is priced cheap, IMO because they are not that great of a vehicle. The full size GMs are priced cheap, IMO because there are more of them out there than any other truck that shares the same platform from half ton to one ton. They are plentiful, cheap, reliable, and cheap to repair when they do break.

Small/Midsized trucks sell no where near the numbers that full size trucks do. This increases their cost. The good small/midsized trucks will bring a premium, which increases cost. Do I think they are overpriced? Yes. Are they priced at what the market will bear? Yes. You can get a full size GM in equal or better condition for significantly less money than a small/midsized truck. Shit, 25 year old Toyota pickups still sell for over $3k here. My 99 Silverado I sold for $3k was in much better shape than most of the $3k Toyotas I see for sale here, and it is ten years newer and has twice the load capacity. What I am getting at is quality small/midsized trucks will bring a premium, as you are now seeing.

Will that Dakota be a POS? Will you get screwed by a used car lot dealer? Maybe to both statements. If you think you would like the Dakota, go meet the guy and give it a spin. Whatever you do, let us know how it goes.
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Will that Dakota be a POS? Will you get screwed by a used car lot dealer? Maybe to both statements. If you think you would like the Dakota, go meet the guy and give it a spin. Whatever you do, let us know how it goes.
I agree with everything you said. The Rangers and toyota I know are good rigs, I just wasn't sure about the dakota. I mean I know the ram trucks are decent from that era, but I had no real idea on the smaller one. I still plan to go drive. It, for the price/miles/options (v6 5 speed) it has its appeal.
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I was just busting your balls about the crash.
I have an 03 tundra with 226000 hard miles and it runs like new. They are great trucks.
My balls are so fucking swollen already from getting busted all week.

What motor and trans on the tundra? Any issues with either?

What about late model T100's? I seem to see a lot of those, but seem to recall they only come with a V6?
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What about late model T100's? I seem to see a lot of those, but seem to recall they only come with a V6?
I have known a few people that have owned them, and almost bought one myself. The drivetrain is the same as the Tacoma at the time. The chassis and the body were unique to the T100. They were not made in huge numbers. The biggest problem the people I knew that had them was finding T100 unique parts. If something on the interior breaks, good luck finding another one. If you get a bedside smashed, you will more than likely not find another one. The prices for the T100 unique parts that are out there are really high. The low numbers produced, combined with the parts availability and prices is what turned me away from the T100.

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My balls are so fucking swollen already from getting busted all week.

What motor and trans on the tundra? Any issues with either?

What about late model T100's? I seem to see a lot of those, but seem to recall they only come with a V6?
4.7 V8/AWsomething auto trans. Trans was improved in 03. Went to 5 speed auto in 05.


I also have a 98 T100 and it is really well built. It has the same 3.4 that was used in the Tacomas. Similar other drivetrain parts. The front suspension stuff it the same as the 86-95 trucks. The T100 is now up at my cabin and will sit neglected for months then fire up to work or haul kayaks, etc.
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Looks like this thread turned into a "talk Bryan into a full size thread"...
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F150 with a 5.4. All I know is that the 5.4 likes to snap spark plugs into the heads and the exhaust manifolds all crack.

Early 2000s chevy with a 5.3: previously mentioned common electrical plus most likely reasonably high mileage..

Tundra with tundra v8?: I know dick all about these trucks
I am a Ford guy but I bought 3 GM 1/2 tons in the 4.6 / 5.4 years; open the hood on a F-150 and a comparable year GM 1500 and think about the work involved and accessibility to change the plugs and exhaust manifolds on the Ford vs. the GM. The biggest downfall on that era of GM's is the dash stepper motors which was a $199 fix on my 2002 to have someone swap in a rebuilt instrument panel, I think the stepper motors are down to ~$20 for a 6 pack of them now.

For a semi-beater PU the first generation Tundras are not on near the same level of being able to buy cheap used parts off of CL, at least where I am. Throw in a 90,000 mile timing belt change interval on a interference engine and I would want to factor in the timing belt change cost into the purchase if there was not positive proof that it had been done.

I had a couple of newer Dakota's as company supplied work trucks as well (2006-2007 or so, 4.7/ 5 spd. auto), they were both brand new when I got them, they both go worse mileage than my 4.8 1500 and I got the second one because the first one's transmission / transfer case blew up and locked up the drivetrain.
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Found a 99 chevy 2wd double cab (I think) and an older pop up camper for just under 5k.. has the 4.6 (4.8?) And was maintained according to the guy. I'll probably go check it out.
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Its a 4.8 if its the 99-07 body and a V8
4.3 is the V6
Very good motors but they are low on tq compaired to the 5.3
Electrical issues are not common on the 99-02s,knock sensors are a issue due to rust if you wash the engine alot or wheel it in water/mud
The 4L60e is hit and miss,some last 50k when babied,some last 150k when abused,but its a common GM rwd tranny and a shit ton of options of building them are out there
The 10b rear is not the best esp with the g80 gov lock,but again common axle with a shit ton of options
The front brakes are great,back disks suck,expect to replace them 2-3x for every front set
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They ain't that bad. But it is a 16 year old truck. Ball joints, front brakes, and rusted brake lines seem to be the weak spots.
^^^THIS. Thankfully it's also a 5-spd. That'll cover the anemia of the V-6.
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The Dakota is average. It's a medium sized light duty pickup. It won't tow your house boat and it won't run the Rubicon in 2WD but it's a decent beater with decent mileage for a US truck and will haul a couple bags of cement and lumber or whatever typical junk you want to throw in it. The major problems have already been mentioned, though the ball joints are not as bad as they were since all of them from that era should have been replaced in the recall, but that sort of issue tends to linger as rumor. If you try to modify the suspension, you can count on them wearing out quickly. It's a Dakota, so keep that in mind. Don't expect it to blow you or run your balloon knot in just the right way like some of these people think Toyotas do and you won't be disappointed.
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The Dakota is average. It's a medium sized light duty pickup. It won't tow your house boat and it won't run the Rubicon in 2WD but it's a decent beater with decent mileage for a US truck and will haul a couple bags of cement and lumber or whatever typical junk you want to throw in it. The major problems have already been mentioned, though the ball joints are not as bad as they were since all of them from that era should have been replaced in the recall, but that sort of issue tends to linger as rumor. If you try to modify the suspension, you can count on them wearing out quickly. It's a Dakota, so keep that in mind. Don't expect it to blow you or run your balloon knot in just the right way like some of these people think Toyotas do and you won't be disappointed.
Thats about it!

I've got a 2000 Dakota Quad cab 4.7, 5 speed. It's a decent size for commuting. A little small for towing. 4.7 is not a great engine and prone to sludge if not cared for by the PO. Low gas mileage that gets even worse when pulling a 6x10 trailer. But since they are wide for a mid size it pulls straight and stable.

Its had its share of repairs. Had the rear end rebuilt twice. Had to swap in a junkyard trans when the pilot bearing ate the nose of the main shaft. Had to replace the AC system when the condenser and pump went. But looking back it has still been cheaper than a truck payment.

If I was to do it over I'd get a full size. It just doesn't have the pull when you need it going up a hill. I cant even think what the V6 is like.
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Thats about it!

I've got a 2000 Dakota Quad cab 4.7, 5 speed. It's a decent size for commuting. A little small for towing. 4.7 is not a great engine and prone to sludge if not cared for by the PO. Low gas mileage that gets even worse when pulling a 6x10 trailer. But since they are wide for a mid size it pulls straight and stable.

Its had its share of repairs. Had the rear end rebuilt twice. Had to swap in a junkyard trans when the pilot bearing ate the nose of the main shaft. Had to replace the AC system when the condenser and pump went. But looking back it has still been cheaper than a truck payment.

If I was to do it over I'd get a full size. It just doesn't have the pull when you need it going up a hill. I cant even think what the V6 is like.
i owned a 1997 Dakota identical to the OP truck for 14 years. i would probably still be driving it if that bitch hadnt been texting, run that red light and spun me into a concrete wall.

In all the years i drove it, ill break down what i did:

new mopar performance timing chain tensioner, timing chain and cam sprockets (easy to do really)

new clutch in 2004.

new rack and pinion steering (easy to do)

a couple years before it was totaled, i needed a new ECM and a new fuel pump. both pretty cheap parts and the fuel pump wasnt hard either.

new power steering pump (easy to do, i did 7 of them in a two week period because the rebuilds from vatozone were shitty)

i swapped in a throttle body from a V8 318 and did a thottle cable mod from a jeep and that made the biggest performance upgrade of all. with the stick you can get up and go with that thing. was a pretty fun vehicle.



all in all, my dakota was the little truck that could. the paint went when i stopped carring about washing it. for about the last 8 years, aside from the fuel pump and ECm, all i did was change the oil. it was totalled with 242,000 on the clock. and i wouldnt have ever hesitated to drive it all over the country. it took 4 trips from Texas to Atlanta, one up throug Tenessee and even went to Mardi Gras from San Antonio a couple of times.


for 4k and knowing that someone has gone through the truck and it in good running shape, i think you could do a lot worse. The stick shift is what makes that truck. if it was an automatic, id say to pass.
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Good points. I forgot I had the ECM go bad on me as well. Ran fine but the check engine light stayed on and I could not get it inspected.

Replaced the radiator when it had issues.

Paint is burned through on mine as well. But that is my fault for never actually washing it while I have owned it.
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My wife daily drives a 2004 quad cab 4x4 dakota for the last 8 years. Lots of nickel and dime stuff but nothing major. I had 2 Rangers before that and they were probably more reliable but I didn't own them as long.
I do agree on the full size, none of the dakotas get great fuel mileage, but when I bought this I thought daily parking might be easier for her than a full size, and the quad has bigger rear doors than some full sizes.
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for 4k and knowing that someone has gone through the truck and it in good running shape, i think you could do a lot worse. The stick shift is what makes that truck. if it was an automatic, id say to pass.
Great info, thank you.

I'm not even sure if that truck is still on that lot. We drove by yesterday and didn't see it, but I plan on calling on it in a few hrs.
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That Truck probably isn't a 2000 even. I have a 97 and the 5 spoke rims were 97 and 98 only then they went to 10 spoke rims. Truck is not worth the asking price either. 12 Mpg city and a gutless V6.
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That Truck probably isn't a 2000 even. I have a 97 and the 5 spoke rims were 97 and 98 only then they went to 10 spoke rims. Truck is not worth the asking price either. 12 Mpg city and a gutless V6.
definitely not a 97. the interior around the shifter is the giveaway, along with the selectable passenger airbag lock.

that thing is a 4x4, which i didnt see the first time. mine was a 2wd.
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That Truck probably isn't a 2000 even. I have a 97 and the 5 spoke rims were 97 and 98 only then they went to 10 spoke rims. Truck is not worth the asking price either. 12 Mpg city and a gutless V6.
4K for a 2000 model mid-size truck with 160K? You're on fucking crack if you think that isn't a good price for this area. Politely fuck off from this thread.


In other news: That dakota sold on friday, anyways.

Might go look at this pile of ford later:
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