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Old 02-05-2016, 04:45 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Selfish fuck.
Suicide isn't selfish, because the 'self' is being eliminated.
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Old 02-05-2016, 05:08 AM   #52 (permalink)
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What are the chances he had CTE?


Edit- apparently pretty high.

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Old 02-05-2016, 06:33 AM   #53 (permalink)
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CTE was my very first thought. Apparently Dave also had a TBI from getting hit by a car when he was younger, almost ended his career. So I'd say he's had his fair share of head trauma that could have led to CTE. And to think, he was always the dude wearing a full face moto helmet during all competitions when most guys were only wearing tiny pro-tec brain buckets.

So sad to see him go, he was one of my childhood idols. My only BMX bike was a Haro because of him. Apparently my sister met him and hung out at his house in Greenville years back, said he was a really chill guy.



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Old 02-05-2016, 07:19 AM   #54 (permalink)
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Bummer.

I remember when Jeff Phillips took his life often still.
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Old 02-05-2016, 07:36 AM   #55 (permalink)
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Suicide isn't selfish, because the 'self' is being eliminated.
It's selfish when you leave kids behind
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Old 02-05-2016, 07:55 AM   #56 (permalink)
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It's selfish when you leave kids behind
Or maybe its selfish to ridicule who was in so much pain they felt ending it all was their only option.

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Old 02-05-2016, 07:58 AM   #57 (permalink)
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Some 'issues' can't ever be fixed no mater how much help you get. It doesn't mean I agree with his choice but, I get where some things just can't be changed or fixed no mater what you do.

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Or maybe its selfish to ridicule who was in so much pain they felt ending it all was their only option.
This. Depression is a terrible, terrible thing. Be super grateful if it has never haunted your for months or years.
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Old 02-05-2016, 08:24 AM   #58 (permalink)
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I loved watching him ride and when I saw this last night it really hit me for some reason. Maybe it's because I am going through some pretty deep personal things right now and suicide isn't even in the farthest part of my brain. I feel so terrible for him and his family.

"Having it all" doesn't mean you won't have any problems in life. Things can still suck really bad to the point you are in a constant state of misery.

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No. If someone is battling depression and they take their own life it is tragic. BUT, when you have little kids that are depending on you, and you take your own life, it is also selfish. That's not ridicule, it's a statement of fact. They are quite literally acting out the definition of selfish, when they prioritize their "self" in front of their child's "self". Suicide is always tragic and heart breaking, but, yes, the fact is that when a parent of young kids commits suicide, it is also selfish.
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No. If someone is battling depression and they take their own life it is tragic. BUT, when you have little kids that are depending on you, and you take your own life, it is also selfish. That's not ridicule, it's a statement of fact. They are quite literally acting out the definition of selfish, when they prioritize their "self" in front of their child's "self". Suicide is always tragic and heart breaking, but, yes, the fact is that when a parent of young kids commits suicide, it is also selfish.
But you are using logic to try to understand, explain, and condemn an inherently illogical thought process. Sounds like you don't get it.

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No. If someone is battling depression and they take their own life it is tragic. BUT, when you have little kids that are depending on you, and you take your own life, it is also selfish. That's not ridicule, it's a statement of fact. They are quite literally acting out the definition of selfish, when they prioritize their "self" in front of their child's "self". Suicide is always tragic and heart breaking, but, yes, the fact is that when a parent of young kids commits suicide, it is also selfish.
I'll never understand why some people can't mind their own business, take care of their own family, the way they see fit, and stay out of other peoples lives.

There's no point in judging and condemning someone you have never met before, that wants nothing to do with you. Or speculating about situations, you know nothing about.

How difficult is it, to leave other people alone and do your own thing?

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But you are using logic to try to understand, explain, and condemn an inherently illogical thought process.
Yes. Mental illness is basically the brain malfunctioning.
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No. If someone is battling depression and they take their own life it is tragic. BUT, when you have little kids that are depending on you, and you take your own life, it is also selfish. That's not ridicule, it's a statement of fact. They are quite literally acting out the definition of selfish, when they prioritize their "self" in front of their child's "self". Suicide is always tragic and heart breaking, but, yes, the fact is that when a parent of young kids commits suicide, it is also selfish.
Your failing to comprehend that the things going on in this man's brain were more powerful than his love for his children. Its been said that depression is the only thing more powerful than love. The emotional damage is more than most people can ever understand. He may have very well felt that his family was better off without him and the pain of his children having to deal with his death was less than the pain of them dealing with him alive.



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Old 02-06-2016, 08:25 AM   #64 (permalink)
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Yes. Mental illness is basically the brain malfunctioning.
It can also be chemical (body organ imbalance) that causes it. Me, I have anger issues (big shock I know) due to a overproduction of testosterone and adrenaline. Some people seem to think I enjoy being on edge all the time, it ain't fun.

I can't even start to imagine what it would be like to be depressed to the point that ending your life is the only option you can see. However the people here judging Dave for what he did, need to walk a few miles in someone elses shoes to even hope to understand.
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Your failing to comprehend that the things going on in this man's brain were more powerful than his love for his children. Its been said that depression is the only thing more powerful than love. The emotional damage is more than most people can ever understand. He may have very well felt that his family was better off without him and the pain of his children having to deal with his death was less than the pain of them dealing with him alive.


I think the will to live is strong and natural. Killing yerself isn't natural and I don't expect that it comes easy. Gotta be terrible to be in that head space.
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Your failing to comprehend that the things going on in this man's brain were more powerful than his love for his children. Its been said that depression is the only thing more powerful than love. The emotional damage is more than most people can ever understand. He may have very well felt that his family was better off without him and the pain of his children having to deal with his death was less than the pain of them dealing with him alive.



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I think the will to live is strong and natural. Killing yerself isn't natural and I don't expect that it comes easy. Gotta be terrible to be in that head space.
Yeah. Holy shit yeah.
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Your failing to comprehend that the things going on in this man's brain were more powerful than his love for his children. Its been said that depression is the only thing more powerful than love. The emotional damage is more than most people can ever understand. He may have very well felt that his family was better off without him and the pain of his children having to deal with his death was less than the pain of them dealing with him alive.



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Well put.My best friend of 35 years ended his life,after dealing with mental issues.He was a very stand up man ,had 3 children.Nobody would have ever had a thought that he would/could take his own life. I still think that if he would have called me he would still be here.Dont judge until you've been in the same situation.
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I really do not think there's any reason to question his love for his family. The only real question is the functional condition of his brian.

He was hit by a drunk driver while crossing the street in the early 90s. Fracturing his skull, and creating a blood clot on the brain. He later endured countless slams in his BMX career. Many broken bones and at least one slam hard enough to rupture his spleen.

Also listed boxing as a hobby so, his brain did not have an easy life.

He was supremely talented, and exceptionally driven. I was a kid in the BMX scene back when the X Games first ran. He was inspiring, and even this many years later it's sad to see him go. I would not fault him for something he obviously did not have control of.
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