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Old 05-12-2016, 08:52 PM   #251 (permalink)
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Can't afford to pay your employees a measly $15/hr?

Close down, you shouldn't be in business anyway.
so you think any job that needs to be done in a business is worth 15.00 regardless of what that job is?
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Can't afford to pay your employees a measly $15/hr?

Close down, you shouldn't be in business anyway.
Typical 20yo slacknuts that thinks the world owes him something.

You know less than nothing about how a business operates.

You haven't the foggiest befarkled clue how payroll works, what real-world overhead is, nothing. All you know is when you come out of the oilchange pit, the cash register is taking in what looks like a shit ton of money, and then you go home and crawl in to mommy's basement and cry and cut yourself because the world is so unfair.

A typical burger joint runs on a 1-2% profit margin, with payroll being the biggest expense.

A burger flipper gets paid $7.25 an hour, but he costs the employer a great deal more than that. Workmen's comp is figured off of a percentage of payroll. Unemployment insurance is figured off of a percentage of payroll. This is added to the cost of labor. Although you never see it, you're actually costing a good bit more than $7.25 an hour.

Oh! Don't forget your socialist security. What comes out of your check is only a partial contribution. The employer pays the rest.

So your "rich, heartless, capitalist pig" of an employer is scraping by on a 1-2% profit margin, but now your pay is being doubled, which means your hidden cost is also being doubled. That business just went from profit to loss.

Put some objective thought in to it, or just keep using Bernie's cock as a pacifier. Your choice.
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Can't afford to pay your employees a measly $15/hr?

Close down, you shouldn't be in business anyway.
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so you think any job that needs to be done in a business is worth 15.00 regardless of what that job is?
I wouldn't agree a kiddie fry cook is worth $15/hr (maybe closer to $12), but there are plenty of skilled adults, many doing dangerous work, making less than $15/hr, trying to keep the heat on, while some gluttonous CEO is making millions a year.

In the days of slavery, your master provided you with food, shelter, and clothing in exchange for a full days work. Slavery was abolished, yet we're in the 21st century and it's possible to put in the same full days work and NOT be afforded the same food, shelter, and clothing because the employer is paying them fucking $8/hr...

So really, what was so bad about slavery compared to this contemporary atrocity?
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Typical 20yo slacknuts that thinks the world owes him something.
Hey moron, I already make a lot more than $15/hr , so I'm not in a position to be relying on handouts or thinking I'm owed anything. That would be you, since you make $0/hr.
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Hey moron, I already make a lot more than $15/hr , so I'm not in a position to be relying on handouts or thinking I'm owed anything. That would be you, since you make $0/hr.
While I giggle at the jab at him for his current hourly wage, I have to ask, why do you not need handouts or are owed anything? Is that because you are worth more than $15/hr? Why are you worth more than a lettuce picker? Why should an unskilled lettuce picker not have the same lifestyle as you?
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Hey moron, I already make a lot more than $15/hr , so I'm not in a position to be relying on handouts or thinking I'm owed anything. That would be you, since you make $0/hr.
In other words, why are you entitled to more than $15/hr when someone else is only entitled to $15/hr?
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While I giggle at the jab at him for his current hourly wage, I have to ask, why do you not need handouts or are owed anything? Is that because you are worth more than $15/hr? Why are you worth more than a lettuce picker? Why should an unskilled lettuce picker not have the same lifestyle as you?
I live below my means. I'd rather have cash on hand than chase a certain lifestyle or be in debt. I don't think a lettuce picker should make what I make, but I do think he should be able to exist without resorting to crime or welfare.

That's not possible on $8/hr, unless you work 80hrs a week. In which case slavery may have actually been better.
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I live below my means. I'd rather have cash on hand than chase a certain lifestyle or be in debt. I don't think a lettuce picker should make what I make, but I do think he should be able to exist without resorting to crime or welfare.

That's not possible on $8/hr, unless you work 80hrs a week. In which case slavery may have actually been better.
Are you ok with paying $15-$20 for a head of lettuce?
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Are you ok with paying $15-$20 for a head of lettuce?
That $15 - $20 lettuce is feeding a troll. Or someone that is blissfully ignorant.

You'd be much better served debating with a brick wall. At least a brick wall operates on concepts conceivable in this universe.
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Or someone that is blissfully ignorant.
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Don't like the pay, don't work the job.
Don't like your life? Fix it yourself.
Plenty of people live off minimum wage how it is now. They don't walk around in Air Jordans and go to the club on Fridays though. Sure they don't have their own place and have to rent a room but they ARE surviving.


You earn what your worth....sound familiar?
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I live below my means. I'd rather have cash on hand than chase a certain lifestyle or be in debt. I don't think a lettuce picker should make what I make, but I do think he should be able to exist without resorting to crime or welfare.

That's not possible on $8/hr, unless you work 80hrs a week. In which case slavery may have actually been better.
So why give them more money? Why not make the 8$ worth more?
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I haven't read every post......Raising the minimum wage to 15 bucks will accomplish one big thing. It will bring in more income taxes to help support expansion of gov't programs....
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I wouldn't agree a kiddie fry cook is worth $15/hr (maybe closer to $12), but there are plenty of skilled adults, many doing dangerous work, making less than $15/hr, trying to keep the heat on, while some gluttonous CEO is making millions a year.

In the days of slavery, your master provided you with food, shelter, and clothing in exchange for a full days work. Slavery was abolished, yet we're in the 21st century and it's possible to put in the same full days work and NOT be afforded the same food, shelter, and clothing because the employer is paying them fucking $8/hr...

So really, what was so bad about slavery compared to this contemporary atrocity?
So quit the dangerous job and be a CEO?
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Works for me. It'd take the pressure off.



Do I still gotta work 40 hrs.?

Subsidize small business!
And who is going to pay for that?
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So, your ideal is that everybody will eventually be making the same about of money no matter what they do to make a living? keep raising the minimum wage, keep making "rich" people pay for it and eventually it will all even out.
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So, your ideal is that everybody will eventually be making the same about of money no matter what they do to make a living? keep raising the minimum wage, keep making "rich" people pay for it and eventually it will all even out.
Duh. It's the libtards mantra. Don't bring the lower classes up, instead beat the upper classes down so everyone is equal.

I'm not surprised in the least bit by it but I still shake my head like :gary: when everyone engages the trolls. Stop feeding these morons and they'll get bored and go away.
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Rich People!
And how are you going to feel about it when YOU are the one deemed to be "rich"?

No, screwy, even if they take everything away from the top there isn't enough to go around so, they will start lowering the bar and eventually even YOU will need to help pay for the "less fortunate".
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Duh. It's the libtards mantra. Don't bring the lower classes up, instead beat the upper classes down so everyone is equal.

I'm not surprised in the least bit by it but I still shake my head like :gary: when everyone engages the trolls. Stop feeding these morons and they'll get bored and go away.
Sorry, sometimes it is too hard to resist. It is hard to determine if that is how he really thinks, or if he is just trolling.
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Are you ok with paying $15-$20 for a head of lettuce?
It doesn't take an hour to pick a single head of lettuce.
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I haven't read every post......Raising the minimum wage to 15 bucks will accomplish one big thing. It will bring in more income taxes to help support expansion of gov't programs....
It does more than that: Since a large percentage of union wages are pegged to the Minimum Wage, those union wages will also go up.

Additionally, raising the minimum impacts any workers in a business who have more seniority than the entry-level guys who currently pull minimum. Let's say the current minimum is $10, and you have 3 or 4 folks in your small business who get that, and a couple who get 12 or 13 an hour because they've been there longer. Now the minimum goes up to 15, so not only do you have to raise the wages of all your entry-level guys, but you now have to bump up all your more senior guys so they can continue to get that extra amount owed to them due to their experience. And that effect ripples up the chain a fair way, so that you don't end up with senior hourly employees now making more than their salaried supervisors.
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It doesn't take an hour to pick a single head of lettuce.
Is that what he asked? One would think that someone as old as you are would understand inflation.

But I guess you were too stoned to have paid attention...
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It doesn't take an hour to pick a single head of lettuce.
total costs of production are total costs of production no matter what they are.
on a sliding scale, if you move up the total cost of production- then you have to raise your end price to cover total cost of production.
cost of production still has to keep a profit margin so that:
1)investors are happy
2)as a business you can pay back loans, and be seen by banks and investors as a good risk for paying back future loans.
3)you can cover the taxes
4)you can afford to expand when necessary.

so let me ask you this- your a contractor, where do you get your day laborers at? what do you pay them? honestly, not some B.S. answer.
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