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Old 03-28-2016, 12:47 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Minimum wage should not be a liveable wage.
Then why should the bum on the street get a job at all?

What incentive is there?

If minimum wage doesn't even provide you with same quality of life you'd get in prison (food, clothing, shelter, health care), why bother with the job when you'd be farther ahead robbing a bank?
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Well, he is right to a degree. If you bring in too much income, then that person is no longer eligible for assistance like food stamps. That is until the state of kalifornia raises that limit up higher.
This is what has already shown the flaws in the WA state minimum wage laws. Once the employees got the increase in minimum wage, many of those employees started asking for cuts on hours so they wouldn't exceed the minimum for additional support. That increase with the same number of hours pushed them over their free beni's limit.
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Then why should the bum on the street get a job at all?

What incentive is there?

If minimum wage doesn't even provide you with same quality of life you'd get in prison (food, clothing, shelter, health care), why bother with the job when you'd be farther ahead robbing a bank?
Your idiocy is scary.

Minimum wage is a starting point for kids, not families. It's for beer, cigarettes and gas money to party during high school, not raising 3 fucking kids and buying a house dumbass


How hard is it for you to understand that even if the minimum wage is $100 an hour, all the skilled workers will then be making $400 an hour?
Fuel, housing, healthcare, food, daycare will also all inflate at the same rate and nothing will change for those making "minimum wage".
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Then why should the bum on the street get a job at all?

What incentive is there?

If minimum wage doesn't even provide you with same quality of life you'd get in prison (food, clothing, shelter, health care), why bother with the job when you'd be farther ahead robbing a bank?
Because minimum wage is meant for entry level workers. If you're still making kinimum wage after 6 months you are either worthless or work for a shitty employer and you need to start job hunting while still working for the first employer.

My nieces whom I had very little faith would turn out as anything but worthless entitled shit heads have both busted their asses harder than I thought they'd ever do and are both honor students in college working 2 jobs a piece to pay their own way. They figured out its better to work hard and be recognized than to be a slacker and just get by. I'm damned proud of those kids.
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Then why should the bum on the street get a job at all?

What incentive is there?

If minimum wage doesn't even provide you with same quality of life you'd get in prison (food, clothing, shelter, health care), why bother with the job when you'd be farther ahead robbing a bank?
Let me explain it to you real simple.

If someone is only worth minimum wage...and that's really what we are discussing (what someone's ability is worth) and they cannot make the living they "want" they have a few options.

First, a minimum wage job usually does not work someone past 40 hours to be in overtime. Actually about 30 hours is what they work. There is 168 hours in a week and only working 30 means they have a shit load of time to work another 30+. BAM...they just doubled their income.

Second...."they" have to make their ability worth more than minimum. There are numerous ways to achieve this but it is up to them...no one else.

That should be easy enough for even you to understand.
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Minimum wage is a starting point for kids, not families. It's for beer, cigarettes and gas money to party during high school, not raising 3 fucking kids and buying a house dumbass


How hard is it for you to understand that even if the minimum wage is $100 an hour, all the skilled workers will then be making $400 an hour?
Fuel, housing, healthcare, food, daycare will also all inflate at the same rate and nothing will change for those making "minimum wage".
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Then why should the bum on the street get a job at all?

What incentive is there?

If minimum wage doesn't even provide you with same quality of life you'd get in prison (food, clothing, shelter, health care), why bother with the job when you'd be farther ahead robbing a bank?

Lets get to the root of the problem. Why is he a bum in the first place?

Did he not put enough effort into school when he was a kid?
Did he not put enough effort into getting a job when he was starting out?
Assuming he had at least one job did he not put enough effort into doing his job and getting raises?

baring mental illness or extraordinary circumstances chances are he's a bum because they made bad choices.
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There shouldn't be a minimum wage. Government needs to stay the fuck out of the free market.
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The unions are all for this because most hourly union contracts are a multiplier of minimum wage in CA. Do you think their members are going to turn down a 50% wage increase mandated by law?

These people keep throwing gas on the fire and wonder why it's so damned expensive to live here. This is the only place in the world where a person can have a house worth over a million dollars and still have to deal with bums pissing on his fence.
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Then why should the bum on the street get a job at all?

What incentive is there?

If minimum wage doesn't even provide you with same quality of life you'd get in prison (food, clothing, shelter, health care), why bother with the job when you'd be farther ahead robbing a bank?
Bums on the street are almost always mentally ill and can't hold down a job to begin with.

You do not know what you're talking about. Half of the people earning minimum wage are under 25 years old. It is usually their first job, and not many are fully living on their own.

Why in the fuck would you want to force employers to pay these young people just entering the workforce more in wages? Ultimately, there will be fewer low skill, entry-level jobs and you are going to make it much more difficult for a young adult to get a part-time or summer job as he is learning a trade or going to school.

Unless they've made horrible life decisions, the most of these people should be single and either living at home or in a shithole apartment with roommates. They will either go to school or continue to learn a trade and never take another minimum wage job--because they are not losers.

If you are the other half, making minimum wage and over 25 years of age, you are a fucking loser who: (1) has made shitty life decisions; (2) is a lazy mother fucker; (3) is a shitty employee; and (4) is a burden on society.

If you are in the second group, you can fucking starve for all I care. And, if you were so irresponsible to have children before you had means, let the state take them--they are already fucked anyway, the system won't do any worse.

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The unions are all for this because most hourly union contracts are a multiplier of minimum wage in CA. Do you think their members are going to turn down a 50% wage increase mandated by law?

These people keep throwing gas on the fire and wonder why it's so damned expensive to live here. This is the only place in the world where a person can have a house worth over a million dollars and still have to deal with bums pissing on his fence.
This. Most people don't realize that prevailing wage is geared from the minimum wage. I guess that's why you see unions and Gov creating this without any business owner input.
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This. Most people don't realize that prevailing wage is geared from the minimum wage. I guess that's why you see unions and Gov creating this without any business owner input.
Payroll taxes, SS, income taxes all go up too. More money for the govt.
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Then why should the bum on the street get a job at all?

What incentive is there?

If minimum wage doesn't even provide you with same quality of life you'd get in prison (food, clothing, shelter, health care), why bother with the job when you'd be farther ahead robbing a bank?
Because minimum wage isn't meant to be a livable wage.. You do understand that 15 year olds get minimum wage right? How many 15 year olds do you know that deserves $15 an hour? Taco bell, Wendy's, McDonald's, Chic Fil A, all utilize the youth employee age group..

Lets give you an Economics 101 lesson:

I pay you $7.25 an hour for a part time position which comes to $145 before taxes. That's $580 worth of wages for a part time job BEFORE taxes. $6960 per year.

My products are priced based on the amount of overhead I have in them:
-Labor
-Materials
-Marketing
-Production
-Taxes

You need to keep those 5 KEY THINGS in the back of your mind as we finish this very simplistic math equation that Bernie fucktards refuse to understand..

This forced minimum wage increase hits:

Weekly: $300
Monthly: $1200
Yearly: $14,400

Those $ amounts don't even take taxes into consideration. Since I have you on part time, I don't have to provide you health insurance, so Obamacare is going to pick the peanuts out of your shit anyways so enjoy the tax break I'm giving you lol.

Now my overhead just increased by 100%. That now means I have to charge more for my products to cover the costs for an employee that does nothing but stand behind a register and ring up shit you bring to them..

Let me remind you, this is a 15 year old.. Has ZERO work force experience, does nothing at home besides beat off to porn and lay on the couch..

Raising minimum wage for anyone does NOTHING to increase motivation to better ones self. All it does is allows lazy bastards to grow complacent in their deadend job so they can feel as if they accomplished something..

While we're raising the wages for this shitty ass new era of kids, we're keeping the wages of everyone that has busted their ass to earn more than minimum wage static. This means that a 15 year old will make more money than the following:

Entry Level Positions:

1. Police officers
2. Fire fighters
3. Military personnel
4. Teachers
5. Some computer programmers


This law only helps the less productive that REFUSES to do more to better themselves.. It also encourages people that are doing more to better their situations to stop as now they can drop below the poverty line again, collect $15 an hour and a welfare check..

Socialism is a disease.. Stop spreading the idea to ignorant people that will somehow think what you're saying is even remotely true..
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You morons are setting up straw man arguments; I never said minimum wage should pay enough to support a family of 4, but it should pay enough to support an individual and not have them rely on any form of welfare.

And no, they should not have to work 80hrs a week for food and rent. Might as well bring back slavery at that point.

But hey, keep being content with multi-billion dollar corporations underpaying their employees and then having you foot the bill for their welfare benefits.
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Payroll taxes, SS, income taxes all go up too. More money for the govt.
that's the ENTIRE POINT.. The ONLY reason the GOV would support this would be the idea they would make more money by taxing businesses and the employees on more wages..

All this will do is shift the poverty line.. Today its less than $11,000 for a 1 person household.. So we will shift the new poverty line to $30,000 after this wage increase.. $30,000 + welfare sound pretty fucking nice.. Wait.. I recall my parents teaching me that you don't deserve shit you don't work your ass off for.. Too bad that shit isn't being taught to these Bernie fuckers..
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Then why should the bum on the street get a job at all?

What incentive is there?

If minimum wage doesn't even provide you with same quality of life you'd get in prison (food, clothing, shelter, health care), why bother with the job when you'd be farther ahead robbing a bank?
Maybe because it's fucking morally right you fuckng idiot?


Your a fucking fucktard if I ever seen one.
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While we're raising the wages for this shitty ass new era of kids, we're keeping the wages of everyone that has busted their ass to earn more than minimum wage static. This means that a 15 year old will make more money than the following:

Entry Level Positions:

1. Police officers
2. Fire fighters
3. Military personnel
4. Teachers
5. Some computer programmers
It's only your own fault if you've 'busted your ass' to make a lousy $15/hr...

I was making that out of HS changing tires and oil.

Don't blame the burger flipper for getting a raise, just because you wasted time and money pursuing a career that pays peanuts...
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You morons are setting up straw man arguments; I never said minimum wage should pay enough to support a family of 4, but it should pay enough to support an individual and not have them rely on any form of welfare.

And no, they should not have to work 80hrs a week for food and rent. Might as well bring back slavery at that point.

But hey, keep being content with multi-billion dollar corporations underpaying their employees and then having you foot the bill for their welfare benefits.
But what part of "Minimum wage jobs aren't meant to support anyone" isn't sinking in bro? You shouldn't be able to get a job at Chic-Fil-A and live comfortable in a 1 bedroom apartment, dining out every night and driving a caddy.. Minimum wage jobs weren't and aren't meant to be careers.. That's why they pay minimum wage.. But at $15 an hour, you're damn right in thinking they will become careers!! Smart, educated people with degrees and the ability to listen and comprehend simple fucking English will waltz right in those establishments and take their jobs. Let $15 an hour land in GA, and my ass will PERSONALLY go to Chic-Fil-A and get a part time evening job making that kinda cash and work my salaried job during the day from 9-5.

You want some nice customer service when you order your McChub and fries? Let some college educated motherfuckers take over. Not only will they redesign the process, but you may get lucky they bring in Six Sigma Black belt training to show a process on how to increase profits while downsizing useless workforce, WHILE keeping overall customer satisfaction scaling up, which ultimately becomes profits.

then these people you try to help, will be 100% jobless.. their next argument is "We got fired!".. I personally know 5-6 franchise owners who have all said the same thing: If an increase happened here, they would personally replace each of their minors with college degreed employees.
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It's only your own fault if you've 'busted your ass' to make a lousy $15/hr...

I was making that out of HS changing tires and oil.

Don't blame the burger flipper for getting a raise, just because you wasted time and money pursuing a career that pays peanuts...
i think you and dummage are the same person. What do you do for a living?
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Payroll taxes, SS, income taxes all go up too. More money for the govt.
this.

the market will equalize effort/pay/worth, but the .gov gets to grab a significantly larger chunk of taxes.

also, the minimum wage is racist/sexist and was designed (openly) to price the undesirables out of the labor market.

so tell me again how raising the minimum wage will get people off welfare? No business owner is going to pay some barely literate fucktard $15 an hour.
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It's only your own fault if you've 'busted your ass' to make a lousy $15/hr...

I was making that out of HS changing tires and oil.

Don't blame the burger flipper for getting a raise, just because you wasted time and money pursuing a career that pays peanuts...
But your boss was not forced to pay you more than minimum wage. People forget that if you are paid 25k a year you need to be producing more than 25k a year in profit for the company or else the company goes bankrupt. A burger flipper getting paid 15.00 per hour with not make the company more than 15.00 an hour so every 15.00 an hour employee is a per hour loss for the company. They either have to raise prices or cut the workforce.

At this point I'm going to have to say that you are trolling piggy fashion. If you are not then the density of your stupidity has reached critical mass and all rational thought is being sucked in by the black hole of stupidity. No rational thought can escape.
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Raising minimum wage for anyone does NOTHING to increase motivation to better ones self. All it does is allows lazy bastards to grow complacent in their deadend job so they can feel as if they accomplished something.
Well said. Thinking about my own situation growing up it occurred to me that I earned minimum wage for only a few months before I got a raise.

I was 17 and took a part-time fry cook job at KFC for minimum wage--working a couple night shifts during the week. After a couple of months, I got the hang of things and it became clear to the manager that I was basically competent, showed up on time, and worked hard.

After a couple of months, the manager told me that if I was willing to work day shifts on Saturday and Sunday, he'd give me a nice raise. I said yes. After some training and another couple of months, I was effectively running the kitchen on the weekends.

Then, summer came and the manager said he'd give me another raise if I would work days during the week. I said yes again. At that point, he ended up firing his assistant manager, who I effectively replaced, at least for the summer--then I moved to Ann Arbor for college.

Question for others here: How many of you: (1) started at minimum wage; (2) at what age; and (3) how long before you got a raise above the minimum?

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You morons are setting up straw man arguments; I never said minimum wage should pay enough to support a family of 4, but it should pay enough to support an individual and not have them rely on any form of welfare.
I lived for 2 years on my own (with Roommates) on $6.25 an hour working 35hour weeks and going to school full time. Zero govt benefits. I didn't drive a new car, I didn't have cable tv or internet. I had a flip cell phone but no home phone. I ate lots of raman noodles and mac and cheese. It can be done.

After I graduated I immediately got a job making much more than that and have ever since.
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I never said minimum wage should pay enough to support a family of 4, but it should pay enough to support an individual and not have them rely on any form of welfare.
And, it does. If you are a single guy, work full time, live with roommates in a modest apartment, live and eat frugally, and drive a beater you can get by on current minimum wage.

So, are you now against raising the minimum wage or is what I quoted just you spewing bullshit? I'm guessing the later.
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