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Old 03-28-2016, 07:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
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California lawmakers, unions reach $15 minimum wage deal: papers | Reuters

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California lawmakers and union leaders have reached a tentative deal to raise the state's minimum wage to $15 over six years that could avert a campaign to bring the issue to voters, two California newspapers reported on Sunday, citing unnamed sources.

The deal, if passed in the state legislature and signed into law by Governor Jerry Brown, would add to a wave of minimum wage increases at the state level in the United States, where the federal minimum wage has remained at $7.25 an hour for more than six years.

The agreement, as reported by the Los Angeles Times and the Sacramento Bee, would gradually raise the minimum wage in the most populous U.S. state from the current $10 to $15 in 2022. Businesses with fewer than 25 employees would have one extra year to comply with the proposed law.

The Bee said Brown is part of the agreement, while the Times said the Democratic governor could make a formal announcement on a deal as early as Monday.

A spokesman for Brown was unavailable for comment on Sunday.

Sources told the Times that lawmakers could vote on the proposed agreement by the end of next week by amending an existing wage-hike bill.

To pass in the legislature, any minimum wage hike would have to win the approval of moderate Democrats, who in the past have blocked key legislation backed by the governor and the majority party's more liberal leaders.

INCOME INEQUALITY

Raising the minimum wage to fight income inequality has cropped up on many Democratic candidates' agendas ahead of the November presidential, congressional and state elections.

But the idea has drawn fierce opposition from conservatives and some business groups, who have said a higher minimum would harm small businesses and strain the budgets of government agencies forced to pay more to workers.

"Let's start by calling this irresponsible," said Michael Saltsman, research director at the Employment Policies Institute, a fiscally conservative think-tank that has argued against minimum wage hikes.

"When you talk about these really massive jumps it's no longer an impact at the margin, it’s the sort of thing that could be the difference between a business staying open and closing," he added.

In 2013, Brown signed into law a measure that gradually increased the minimum wage from $8 to $10 an hour in 2016. But he said earlier this year that any future increase has to be done "very carefully" and over time.

The latest proposal would allow a sitting governor to stop the increases in the event of a recession, the Bee reported.

Labor unions' proposal to raise California's minimum wage to $15 an hour by the year 2021 has qualified to be listed on the upcoming November ballot in the state.

Supporters of a minimum wage increase who pushed for the ballot question are optimistic the deal would allow them to withdraw that initiative, the papers reported.

But Steve Trossman, a spokesman for the Service Employees International-United Healthcare Workers West, told the Times the union wanted to see the details of the deal before withdrawing the initiative.

Trossman was not immediately available for comment.

Fourteen states and several cities began 2016 with minimum wage increases. Many are now in the midst of multi-year phase-in plans that will ultimately take them to between $10 and $15 an hour.
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Old 03-28-2016, 07:48 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Next will be people pissing even more on how expensive it is to live in Kalifornia
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Old 03-28-2016, 07:51 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Good. Let them serve as a warning.
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^^Meh, 2022 is like forever away, in the big scheme of things.

By then it'll be worth the &.25 minimum, taking California's high cost of living into account.

Kinda toothless, IMHO.
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I live here and think it's stupid. Everybody thinks that they should make a living wage wherever they work and shouldn't be priced out of living in the same town .

I can't afford/ don't want to live in San Francisco where I work so I choose to live an hour away because I can afford to comfortably.

A lot of the people complaing also refuse to live in anything less then a 3 bedroom house because they have 2 kids.

Up your income or lower your standards.
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I look forward to the fast food advancements that come from this. 1 worker and a bunch of kiosks. I am not a fan of self checkout but I would rather deal with a machine than a ungrateful lazy worker.
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^^Meh, 2022 is like forever away, in the big scheme of things.

By then it'll be worth the &.25 minimum, taking California's high cost of living into account.

Kinda toothless, IMHO.
This is what your party wants. this is what your people are calling for. actually, if you look at it, this is a compromise that Moonbeam is doing so that your fellow California bleeding hearts dont full on vote for a $15 min wage in november to be implemented ASAP after the ballot initiative passes. He knows it will crush business in California, thats why he put the part in there about rolling it back at the discretion of the governor if they are in a recession.

A recession is coming.

i wish they would outright put it on the ballot, $15 minimum wage, effective Jan 1, 2017. And just let it roll. Hopefully the SEIU guy wont cave and pull his ballot initiative, i want yall to have a $15 minimum wage. I think it would be a wonderful draw for workers to migrate there.
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Good. I look forward to the day when I can walk into my favorite fast food establishment and place my own order on a kiosk. It will beat the shit out of the current situation, where I have to repeat my order four times to some purple-haired douche-bag hipster emo fawker that looks like he/she took a face plant in a tackle box, and still gets my order fucked-up.

It amazes me that the left thinks this will fix something. They operate under the misguided perception that the employer will just absorb the added payroll expense from their profit margin, instead of passing it on to the consumer, or cutting back personnel. It's just abso-fucking-lutely amazing.
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It's insane how so many people have no clue how economics work, yet they get elected to office and make the rules.

Congrats Texas and maybe Nevada. They will probably be the beneficiaries of this insanity.
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It amazes me that the left thinks this will fix something. They operate under the misguided perception that the employer will just absorb the added payroll expense from their profit margin, instead of passing it on to the consumer, or cutting back personnel. It's just abso-fucking-lutely amazing.
If the employer isn't paying a living wage, then they are relying on the taxpayers (i.e. you) to absorb the cost through the funding of welfare benefits for the employees they're underpaying.
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A person with ZERO qualifications does not deserve to make 30k a year. As a small business owner, 15 bucks an hr for a new hire scares the shit out of me
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If the employer isn't paying a living wage, then they are relying on the taxpayers (i.e. you) to absorb the cost through the funding of welfare benefits for the employees they're underpaying.

So are they going to lower taxes with this pay increase? I'd bet not.
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A person with ZERO qualifications does not deserve to make 30k a year. As a small business owner, 15 bucks an hr for a new hire scares the shit out of me
30K a year is fair just for showing up.

Once you have skills and qualifications and shit then you should get $20/hr minimum.

Don't feed into this scam where they want you to spend $100K on college to make $30K a year. That is damn near criminal.
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Good. I look forward to the day when I can walk into my favorite fast food establishment and place my own order on a kiosk. It will beat the shit out of the current situation, where I have to repeat my order four times to some purple-haired douche-bag hipster emo fawker that looks like he/she took a face plant in a tackle box, and still gets my order fucked-up.
Jack in the box out here already has the kiosk and a lot of other places you can order from your phone. Order on the walk over and it's ready and paid for when you get inside.
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If the employer isn't paying a living wage, then they are relying on the taxpayers (i.e. you) to absorb the cost through the funding of welfare benefits for the employees they're underpaying.
Minimum wage jobs aren't supposed to be "living wage" jobs. Anyone that thinks that they can make a career out of a minimum wage job deserves to starve to death in the dark and cold. They're "starter" jobs, not careers. When a person accepts a minimum wage job they're agreeing to perform their duties for the stated wage. You don't take a minimum wage job then expect the government to intervene and make it into a career for you.

This is just stupid. It will however, accomplish exactly what the government wants: more people on the public teat, therefore more people voting democrat, and easily managed under government control. When the masses have to rely on the government for their day-to-day survival, they're far less likely to buck government authority. This is the Cloward and Piven plan to the letter.

As I mentioned previously, the only advantage to this is that it will put and end to my fast food orders getting fucked-up, as I'll be placing it myself on a kiosk.
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If the employer isn't paying a living wage, then they are relying on the taxpayers (i.e. you) to absorb the cost through the funding of welfare benefits for the employees they're underpaying.
You assume everyone making minimum wage is a 25 year old with 3 kids apparently.
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30K a year is fair just for showing up.

Once you have skills and qualifications and shit then you should get $20/hr minimum.

Don't feed into this scam where they want you to spend $100K on college to make $30K a year. That is damn near criminal.
You're part of the problem. You don't understand economics or the meaning of hard work. "30k a year is fair just for showing up"? Fuck you're dumb.
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California's mass job exodus will now grow larger in the next few years. On the bright side we have tons of boarder hoppers to work under the table. I'm expecting a huge increase of people getting out of California in the next 10 years because the lack of jobs will make it impossible to find work so you can live here.

Congrats stats close to California your population will be increasing even more soon.

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30K a year is fair just for showing up.

Once you have skills and qualifications and shit then you should get $20/hr minimum.

Don't feed into this scam where they want you to spend $100K on college to make $30K a year. That is damn near criminal.
No, 30K for just showing up is insane. If you dont work and work well, you deserve nothing.


The problem is some dipshit kids that spend 100k on an "education" that the best they can get is a 30k a year job. Thats not the employers problem, thats the entitled college kids problem. get a degree in something that will benefit you in a job, not something that makes you feel warm and fuzzy, like a useless history or english degree where all you can do is flip burgers.

thats what is insane.
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You're part of the problem. You don't understand economics or the meaning of hard work. "30k a year is fair just for showing up"? Fuck you're dumb.
I have worked hard.

That's why I make more than $30K a year....
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30K a year is fair just for showing up.

Once you have skills and qualifications and shit then you should get $20/hr minimum.

Don't feed into this scam where they want you to spend $100K on college to make $30K a year. That is damn near criminal.
30k for just showing up, huh? Weird when i hire people they are paid to be skilled and competent. Not keep a body temperature somewhere roughly in the 90's.
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30K a year is fair just for showing up.
I guess this is where we disagree

I bought my first home 7 years ago when I was 24. I don't think I was making 15 bucks an hr then. If I was it wasn't much more than that..... and that was after I had already been in my trade for the previous 7 years
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I have worked hard.

That's why I make more than $30K a year....

How much did you make at your very first job, what was it where was your skill level. What got you to the point you're at now?

Most important, what is the purpose of minimum wage?
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California's mass job exodus will now grow larger in the next few years. On the bright side we have tons of boarder hoppers to work under the table. I'm expecting a huge increase of people getting out of California in the next 10 years because the lack of jobs will make it impossible to find work so you can live here.

Congrats stats close to California your population will be increasing even more soon.
Yep. Except there are people that are not going to want to leave.

I heard on the news the other day that the min wage increase will be causing a local Walmart to shut down. Since profit margins for a store like that are so thin, the wage hike will make the business unprofitable.

So what do the couple hundred Oakland Walmart employees do when the place is shut down? I'm betting on a large increase of people collecting unemployment shortly after the min wage hike.
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