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Old 04-11-2016, 11:06 AM   #26 (permalink)
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My grandfather on my dad's side went through chemo and radiation and didn't even lose any hair. He's been cancer free for 15+ years.

My grandfather on my mom's side died of cancer when I was a year old, but I'm not familiar with the type or circumstances.
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Is what you have suspected to be caused by a virus...more common in SE Asia ?
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They said that most patients diagnosed with what I was, also have the HPV virus, but I don't have that. I don't smoke, either. No real family history, either. Just bad luck, I guess.

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No experience with anyone myself either, but interested to see what everyone else has to say.

My wife's sister took a job at a chiropractor's office a year or so back, and now she's on the kick that you can cure whatever ailments you have by eating healthy and getting adjusted, no medication of any kind. She's gone through our cupboards before and told us all the things we need to get rid of because they don't fit the good doctor's plan. Anti Vaccination, (can't wait for that shit show when we have kids!) and everything else.

As much as I'd like to think it's that simple, I'm not buying it. I'm not throwing out hundreds of years of science, simply because some hippie doctor tells me he can crack my back and get rid of my cancer...
She's getting married here in May, and has already stated how bad birth control is for your hormones. So she's going to just go the natural approach and count her cycle or some shit like that. I figure we'll get the pregnancy announcement sometime around August..

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She's getting married here in May, and has already stated how bad birth control is for your hormones. So she's going to just go the natural approach and count her cycle or some shit like that. I figure we'll get the pregnancy announcement sometime around August..
Counting days is horseshit and nearly impossible to do with success, so you're probably right about the pregnancy announcement for your quacky sister in law. Natural birth control however is a real thing, and more effective than any other birth control- if you know what the fuck you're doing, and it's not super easy to do. There are a couple of methods, and they are equally helpful for those who want babies and those who want to avoid them.

I speak with first hand experience, and that of numerous other couples I know.
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Counting days is horseshit and nearly impossible to do with success, so you're probably right about the pregnancy announcement for your quacky sister in law. Natural birth control however is a real thing, and more effective than any other birth control I know all about it but I'm not going to actually tell you anything other than- if you know what the fuck you're doing, and it's not super easy to do. There are a couple of methods, which I am not going to discuss and they are equally helpful for those who want babies and those who want to avoid them.

I speak with first hand experience, and that of numerous other couples I know. But I wont tell you anything about it because I'm being a troll
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Old 04-11-2016, 11:57 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Old 04-11-2016, 01:11 PM   #32 (permalink)
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My step father went in for shortness of breath. The Xray looked like his lungs were full of grapes. He was angry due to never smoking, rarely drinking, never working with asbestos or anything. He talked to a Doc who recommended taking melatonin. He started taking it that day, and when he went back in to have the biopsy done, his lungs were clear.

I don't know if it was really cancer though. Hell, could have just been a fucked up Xray film.
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My step father went in for shortness of breath. The Xray looked like his lungs were full of grapes. He was angry due to never smoking, rarely drinking, never working with asbestos or anything. He talked to a Doc who recommended taking melatonin. He started taking it that day, and when he went back in to have the biopsy done, his lungs were clear.

I don't know if it was really cancer though. Hell, could have just been a fucked up Xray film.
Could have been nodules. I forget the "real" term for them. Mom has them in her lungs, and since she's had cancer twice, they ran all kinds of tests. They're not cancer, they're just some kind of growths. They can come and go, get larger, smaller, etc. Sometimes they "die" and harden, and will be there forever, but don't really do anything. The Doc said they think it's from irritants, like mowing a lot, or living/working in dusty conditions, etc.
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Most people don't want to hear it which is why I didn't really expand. It's kinda gross.

We use the Creighton method. You use biomarkers and a pretty strict charting routine to figure out where she is on the cycle. Most of the time it's pretty damn close, but if you don't read it correctly, you can be a few days off, resulting in pregnancy. In a nutshell, you steer clear of ovulation, and menstruation (can still get pregnant, and I'm not a fan ).

I forget the name of the other method that works, but this is what we use. My wife doesn't do well on birth control due to mood swings from hell, and we are planning on having kids in the next few years so we figured we would hop off it. After quitting the pill it can take half a year to get onto a normal cycle again, which is why people who aren't all in 100% will fail miserably at it. It takes work.
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They say the marijuana can cure the cancer. My missing left kidney and I would disagree.
Nope... but there has been research stating marijuana MAY inhibit the initial growth of some tumors....
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Could have been nodules. I forget the "real" term for them. Mom has them in her lungs, and since she's had cancer twice, they ran all kinds of tests. They're not cancer, they're just some kind of growths. They can come and go, get larger, smaller, etc. Sometimes they "die" and harden, and will be there forever, but don't really do anything. The Doc said they think it's from irritants, like mowing a lot, or living/working in dusty conditions, etc.
Think it's fungal related. I had one that St. Louis didn't tell me about. When I got that message on my cell from the doc's just north, I had asbout a 4 day freakout.
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I've seen way too many people close to me die or die sooner as a result of chemo, not sure about radiation but it may have a factor in it as well.
You're pumping poison directly into your blood stream, so yeah, it's definitely not "Good" for you, but in a lot of cases, it's better than the alternative. The 2nd time Mom had cancer, the first round of chemo almost killed her. Put her in the cancer ICU for about a week. After that, the oncologist changed up her "cocktail" and it was much better. She still felt like shit, lost her hair, etc, but it didn't almost kill her every time.
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And something most people don't get is when it comes to cancer and other technical medical issues, it is still mostly a guessing game, granted its educated guessing. But doctors are not geniuses, they are still just people making the best guess based inn the information they have.

So yeah find someone that deals with it alot. The more expierence the better the guessing.
probably the best post in this thread.
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this is the issue for me, i believe in science, and i believe that we can cure most of whats out there. my issue is a dumb as doctors that "practice" any bull shit that the busty Pharm rep is pushing that day.

modern medicine is incredible, the day to day asshole trying to keep up a porsche lease payment is killing our people
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Could have been nodules. I forget the "real" term for them. Mom has them in her lungs, and since she's had cancer twice, they ran all kinds of tests. They're not cancer, they're just some kind of growths. They can come and go, get larger, smaller, etc. Sometimes they "die" and harden, and will be there forever, but don't really do anything. The Doc said they think it's from irritants, like mowing a lot, or living/working in dusty conditions, etc.
That sounds like what it was. I only heard about it after the fact, and only heard basically what I posted. The "die and harden" sounds familiar.

My mother has always worked in hospitals, so she claims that some things work, some don't. She is very adamant though that every little bit helps.
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My mom had breast cancer. A mastectomy and chemo got rid of it.
Dad had lymphoma. His "doctor" couldn't figure out why he had a fever so he decided to pretend he didn't have it. Once I got a hold of him and got him to agree to real doctors, it was too late. Chemo didn't save him.

A patient had skin cancer (basal cell). To get rid of it, all she'd have to do was apply a skin cream or perhaps have it removed with a quick in office procedure where she'd leave with a bandaid over it.
Instead, she decided to pray about it as "treatment". She came to the ER later, her mind changed because she was was septic and on her way out. What started as a little, easily treated spot, turned into an infected oozing mass that ate away her orbital socket and was working on her eye and brain.


Doctors want to help their patients and cure them.
Pharmaceutical companies just want people buying drugs. Ever heard of "maintenance chemo"? If you're "cured" then you keep going to get chemo for the rest of your life. That's what they told a friend of mine with Stage 4 colon cancer. She'll always have to have chemo even if they get it into remission.
Someone has a cure because just about everyone has lost someone they love to cancer and you know there's some researchers in that bunch.
And some company bought it up then stuffed it under the mattress because having customers return for more or having expensive "cocktails" of drugs, or making them live longer to buy your drugs is a much better business model.
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Someone has a cure because just about everyone has lost someone they love to cancer and you know there's some researchers in that bunch.
And some company bought it up then stuffed it under the mattress because having customers return for more or having expensive "cocktails" of drugs, or making them live longer to buy your drugs is a much better business model.
That theory is as stupid as the one about the car that runs on water being bought by a major oil company so that we still have to buy gas.

Nobody could come up with a cure for cancer (or a car that runs on water) without someone else knowing about it and running their mouth.
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Someone has a cure because just about everyone has lost someone they love to cancer and you know there's some researchers in that bunch.
And some company bought it up then stuffed it under the mattress because having customers return for more or having expensive "cocktails" of drugs, or making them live longer to buy your drugs is a much better business model.
every cancer is different at the genetic level.

so until gene therapy for each individual patient becomes a reality, there can't be a cure all for every person's unique cancer.
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Doctors want to help their patients and cure them.
Pharmaceutical companies just want people buying drugs. Ever heard of "maintenance chemo"? If you're "cured" then you keep going to get chemo for the rest of your life. That's what they told a friend of mine with Stage 4 colon cancer. She'll always have to have chemo even if they get it into remission.
Maintenance is being used more for certain situations from what I read. Some cancers respond better to control rather than trying to kill it all. And some patients might not survive aggressive treatments.
My mother was a heavy smoker, drinker and pill user most of her life and when she got lung cancer she wasn't treated..Her clarity of mind near the end leads me to believe she committed suicide despite what my dad and the death certificate said....
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Maintenance because the chemo never actually cures it. The rest of her life she'll need to keep buying chemo.

They've identified over 500 different cancer related proteins which scientists say drugs can attack. But they aren't developing this because the companies are concerned about profits.

There's promise regarding treating cancer with DCA. Studies on human cells with it doing well on lung cancer, breast cancer and brain cancer while leaving healthy cells alone.
Why isn't it being developed? Because you can't patent it.


Pharmaceuticals is a business, not a charity. If it were a charity, we'd have cures available. threadneedsdrama
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I don't get the conspiracy theories on these things. Don't you think big pharm companies could make a helluva lot more money treating diseases like polio, small pox, etc. rather than selling vaccines for a few bucks? There's another conspiracy theory. We don't need all thses vaccines, they're just shoved down our throats by big pharm.

Some of the policies of some pharm companies are borderline despicable, but you're insane if you think there wouldn't be massive profits from a true cancer cure all.

I don't get the thought processes behind these types of conspiracy theories, but my guess is that it's easier and possibly less scary for some people to create a boogeyman rather than simply admit that despite all of the advances in modern medicine we're still at the whim of nature when it comes to a lot of things. We're mortal beings and we'll all die one day of something. There's only so much modern medicine can do to fight that inevitability.
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Maintenance because the chemo never actually cures it. The rest of her life she'll need to keep buying chemo.

They've identified over 500 different cancer related proteins which scientists say drugs can attack. But they aren't developing this because the companies are concerned about profits.

There's promise regarding treating cancer with DCA. Studies on human cells with it doing well on lung cancer, breast cancer and brain cancer while leaving healthy cells alone.
Why isn't it being developed? Because you can't patent it.


Pharmaceuticals is a business, not a charity. If it were a charity, we'd have cures available. threadneedsdrama
I am not sure if you have been mislead, or if you made all that up, yourself.

They do not cure much of anything. They find ways to fight disease. Do you also think there is cure for the common cold hidden under someone's mattress?

Are you a participant in disease research all day, every day, or are you a nurse that thinks she knows all about it.
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