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Old 06-08-2016, 02:13 PM   #26 (permalink)
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If hillary was smart she'd pick him as her VP.
Yup. It's the only way they could defeat trump, IMHO. My gut instinct is that they would defeat him, actually.
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If hillary was smart she'd pick him as her VP.
I agree this would virtually guarantee a "D" win...though I already think it's a done deal regardless of who she chooses.
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Bernies speech last night basically said he's in the race until the end. I think he's of the mindset that if he's doesn't win neither will she.
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That's bull shit.
O really?

You think Bill would have been elected without Perot splitting the non democrat vote? You're delusional if you think so.

Sanders as an independent would cannibalize a lot more Hillary votes than it would Trump votes.
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Old 06-08-2016, 03:24 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Bernies speech last night basically said he's in the race until the end. I think he's of the mindset that if he's doesn't win neither will she.
I really have to respect him for his conviction. He's a fucking socialist whackjob, but he believes in what he's selling, and he will believe it up until they strap the 'suicide simulation' machine onto him and make his own finger pull the trigger.
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Old 06-08-2016, 03:25 PM   #32 (permalink)
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O really?

You think Bill would have been elected without Perot splitting the non democrat vote? You're delusional if you think so.

Sanders as an independent would cannibalize a lot more Hillary votes than it would Trump votes.
Ok, calm down and read this and get a glass of perot go fuck yourself.

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Old 06-08-2016, 03:28 PM   #33 (permalink)
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O really?

You think Bill would have been elected without Perot splitting the non democrat vote? You're delusional if you think so.

Sanders as an independent would cannibalize a lot more Hillary votes than it would Trump votes.
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Ross Perot Did Not Cost George Bush The 1992 Presidential Election


In 1992, Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton defeated incumbent President George Bush. Almost every analysis or reference to the 1992 presidential race claims that Perot's presence on the ballot cost Bush the election. No facts are cited, it is merely asserted.

Perot did a lot of damage, it is true. During the spring primaries in the big industrial states like New York and Pennsylvania, when attention might have been paid to Clinton and former California Governor Jerry Brown as they fought each other and debated a domestic agenda for the new administration, all the media covered was the "undeclared" candidacy of Ross Perot.

[ Digression - What is an undeclared candidacy? Especially when there were already several independent parties qualified to be on the ballot, but which were not considered worthy of coverage: The New Alliance Party, LaRouche for President, the Libertarian Party, the Socialist Party, the Prohibition Party and the Independent Voters Party. Why was Perot, who was not running, receiving more coverage than the candidates who were running? The answer is money. The American press is not a free press, it's a bought press. Perot promised that, if he ran, he would spend $100 million in media advertising. The press supported the undeclared candidacy of Ross Perot to fatten their own pocketbooks. The minor party candidates, who had no money to spend on media, could therefore be ignored.]

But did Perot defeat Bush? First, look at the turnout. Perot got 19,660,450 votes. The total turnout was more than 13 million higher than in 1988. So, even though Perot got a lot of votes, 13 million of those voters didn't vote in 1988. Clinton ran 3.1 million votes ahead of Dukakis, but Bush received 9.7 million fewer votes than four years earlier. The two party vote fell by 7 million. So, Perot only took 7 million votes from the two parties combined. If Perot had not been in the race, would those 7 million Perot voters who voted for Bush and Dukakis in 1988 have voted for Bush by a sufficient margin for him to overcome Clinton's 3.1 million vote lead. Those 7 million Perot voters would have had to favor Bush over Clinton by 5 to 2. Or, even if all 19.6 million Perot voters had voted for one of the major party candidates, they would have had to favor Bush by a 58% to 42% margin to overcome clinton's lead and tie the race. Was this likely in view of the fact that the other 84 million voters were favoring Clinton by 7%, 53.5% to Bush's 46.5%?

The 1992 presidential election was an analyst's dream. Usually, the presidential candidate runs far ahead of the rest of the ticket. Perot's presence in the presidential race combined with an absence of running mates for lesser offices meant that Clinton and Bush ran behind their respective party's nominees for Governor, Senator and the House. Consequently, it was easy to follow Perot's voters as they voted for other offices. They voted for Democratic and Republican Governor, Senator and House of Representative candidates in sufficient numbers to give them higher vote totals than Clinton and Bush.

This assumes that all Clinton's supporters voted for the other Democratic candidates and all Bush's supporters voted for the Republican candidates for Governor, Senator and the House. Since Republican candidates for other offices received more votes than Bush, and Democratic candidates for other offices received more votes than Clinton, this is a statistically valid assumption. The higher vote totals for the non-presidential candidates had to come from Perot's voters.

In the Governor's races, Perot's voters cast 18% of their ballots for the Republican candidates; 56% of their ballots for Democratic candidates, 17% for independent candidates, and 8% did not bother to vote for Governor. If Perot's voters had voted for Bush and Clinton in the same proportion that the voted for the Republican and Democratic candidates for Governor, Clinton's lead would have increased by 7.5 million votes.

In the Senate races, Perot's supporters voted 27% for the Republican candidates, 24% for the Democratic candidates, 23% for the independent candidates, and 24% skipped the Senate races entirely. (This does not include states that did not have Senate races.)

In the House races, Perot's voters cast 22% of their ballots for Republican candidates, 19% for Democratic candidates, 18% for independent candidates, and 40% did not vote in House races.

Perot's voters voted overwhelmingly for Democratic Governor candidates, and only marginally in favor of the Republican candidates for the House and Senate. Perot's voters favored Republican Senate candidates by 2.28%, and Republican House candidates by 2.69%. Because Perot's voters were only 1/5th of the total, that translates into about another 500,000 votes or 0.5% for bush if they had voted in a two way presidential race the same way they voted for the Senate and House. That is about 1/7th of the margin by which Bush lost.

If Perot cost Bush the election, the proof must lie somewhere else. On a statistical basis, it's essentially impossible to make a case for Perot costing Bush the 1992 presidential election. The election results show that Perot took many voters from Clinton among his supporters who demonstrated a low interest in politics by voting only for President and Governor, while taking marginally from Bush among those who demonstrated more commitment by casting ballots for Congress.

This analysis can be further confirmed by comparing the 1992 and 1996 results where Perot's vote dropped by 10 million compared to 1992. By comparing the vote totals for Clinton in both years with Bush's and Dole's (assuming Dole voters and Bush voters were the same voters) it is possible to conclude that in 1992 Perot's presence on the ballot cost Bush: Montana, North Carolina, Colorado and Georgia. However, Perot cost Clinton: Florida and Arizona in 1992. So, in 1992, Perot cost Clinton 32 electoral votes while costing Bush 37 electoral votes. Bush lost by 100 electoral votes, so 5 more would not have given him victory.

This same analysis shows that if Perot had not been on the ballot in 1996, Dole would have carried Nevada instead of Clinton. So, by any measure, even admitting that Perot's presence may have cost Bush a few electoral votes in 1992, it was no where near enough to change the outcome of that election, nor the Clinton - Dole contest in 1996.
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Old 06-08-2016, 03:35 PM   #34 (permalink)
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No.
Why not?

It's not like the vp actually does anything. Is joe Biden still alive? Haven't seen him in a year.

You think all of his supporters would vote for him or would they switch to granny Clinton?
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Why not?

It's not like the vp actually does anything. Is joe Biden still alive? Haven't seen him in a year.

You think all of his supporters would vote for him or would they switch to granny Clinton?
Seriously, are you that dense? Trump is campaigning on "Make America Great Again", I don't a socialist dipshit for a VP is exactly the right way to go.
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I already think it's a done deal regardless of who she chooses.
Sometimes I wonder, is this election rigged, or are there really people dumb enough to vote for Hillary?

Then I realize it's both.

If she does win, I hope she follows in the footsteps of Abraham Lincoln.
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These are his words in a interview

“If it happens that I do not win that process, would I run outside of the system?” Sanders said in the interview broadcast by C-SPAN. “No, I made the promise that I would not and I will keep that promise. And the reason for that is I do not want to be responsible for electing some right-wing Republican to be president of the United States.”

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I think Bernie is staying in the race because he thinks Hitlery will be indicted soon. If he drops out of the race before then, he's in no better of a position than any of the other Dems who ran primary campaigns and bowed out earlier. If he's still in the race when she gets arrested, he would be the default candidate.
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Elizabeth warren for the win.
Then we could have two women that have accomplished nothing, rely on the gender for popularity, and are proven liars.
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Then we could have two women that have accomplished nothing, rely on the gender for popularity, and are proven liars.
At least it's consistent???
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Old 06-08-2016, 06:01 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Bernie Sanders can't run as an Independent...
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But he can run as a Dependent
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I think Bernie is staying in the race because he thinks Hitlery will be indicted soon. If he drops out of the race before then, he's in no better of a position than any of the other Dems who ran primary campaigns and bowed out earlier. If he's still in the race when she gets arrested, he would be the default candidate.
This is dead on
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Maybe Bernie should join the trump ticket as v.p.
They agree on quite a bit.
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Bernie sanders should take out Hitlary then jump off a fucking cliff.
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Bernie sanders should take out Hitlary then jump off a fucking cliff.
Or something more like this?

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quotes from facebook about the hashtag Girl I Guess I'm With Her referencing reluctant sanders supporters going to clinton

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Idiot voters that were all in for Bernie, jump ship to reluctantly support the oligarch. All while failing to realize that Hitlery represents everything that Bernie was raging against all along.

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Looks like the Clinton campaign is up to another one of its dirty tricks. Supposedly, some Bernie supporter made up the hashtag ‪#‎girliguessimwithher‬ to indicate that they were going to reluctantly vote for Hillary. I would be willing to bet that no one who supported Bernie would do this. We supported him because he was the ethical one. We'd have to renounce all our values to vote for her.
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I guess I have my answer now as to why Hillary is all of a sudden polling higher against Trump than she was just weeks ago. Not surprising some Sanders "supporters" are jumping ship so quickly or not backing Jill Stein, who is worlds away from Hillary ideologically.
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My Unsolicited Thoughts on This Year's Elections:

This ‪#‎GirlIGuessImWithHer‬ hashtag comically describes what many, including myself presently feel.

Hillary is the bad phone contract you found yourself in cause your other option was absolute crap...so crappy, you'd rather just be without a phone and revert to a beeper and AOL dial up.��

But who wants to relive the technological version of the running man, waiting for the little running yellow man to make it to the third box as evidence of internet connection? None of us are about that life anymore.��

So you take the contract. You're even promised a new phone to sweeten the deal. What you don't realize is it comes with bad service, a bill thru the roof, and you're forced to commit 2yrs to avoid penalties that will only add to your grief and despair. ��

That my friend is what this feels like. And no diss to die hard Hillary fans. Exercise your right and more power to ya. But for someone that believed in something better, just like they believed in Obama when it wasn't popular at first...this berns (<-- see what I did there?) ��LOL.

Now we're here having to choose between the lesser of two wack phone contracts. Because well...anyone but Trump.��

2016...what a year..and it's only June. *sighs and enrolls for weekly counseling*
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If Bernie runs as an independent, Trump has a small chance at being POTUS. Without it he's going to get smoked.
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