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Old 01-11-2017, 05:55 PM   #51 (permalink)
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That looks like it would be a lot of fun to drive down and back up!
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45' in three days!

How much more until it is at full pool?


Any chance of any of this rain making it to the watershed that runs into Lake Mead near Vegas? Last I heard it was so low that they said it would never recover.
Ya gotta understand, California is basically two steep mountains with a valley in between. It doesn't take much to "fill the pool" and the only real outlet is the SF bay.

Our canyons are steep, 1500-3,000' is not unusual, and our mountains are tall (to 14K feet). All that water comes tumbling down these steep canyons, so you get square miles concentrated into a few hundred feet of steam.

It ain't Kansas, that's for shore.

None of this water is headed for Lake Mead. The rain in Reno is headed out into the desert and will peter out around Duckworth (Truckee River).
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Ib4 cali politicians pass a law that will fine everyone for the rain they didnt collect and save. Then tax them next year with a rain tax that makes everyone pay for having too much rain.
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it'll take alot more than a few good days of rain/snow to really help out the drought.
Exactly. 75% of the rain is washing into the ocean at this point. We need a good heavy snow pack to help this summer, and more storage to help in future years.
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84+ inches here in 2016....you got some rain for a couple of days

It's true you need it and haven't had it for years, sure, now enjoy
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84+ inches here in 2016....you got some rain for a couple of days

It's true you need it and haven't had it for years, sure, now enjoy
They have rainfall records back to 1879 where I live just north of SF. it can range from 18" to 112" per year and we average 52" in that timeframe we have endured 4 droughts.

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They have rainfall records back to 1879 where I live just north of SF. it can range from 18" to 112" per year and we average 52" in that timeframe we have endured 4 droughts.

http://marinwater.org/DocumentCenter/View/313

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Agreed. There's a similar chart in Los Angeles showing the same thing: California pretty much runs on a 10-year cycle from drought-to-drought (or wet-to-wet).

If folks would stop moving here, we'd have plenty of water.
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Agreed. There's a similar chart in Los Angeles showing the same thing: California pretty much runs on a 10-year cycle from drought-to-drought (or wet-to-wet).

If folks would stop moving here, we'd have plenty of water.

Or if we could build more reservoirs. Or maybe at times like these, not let so much out, let the reservoirs fill up, then when we start getting snow run-off, let it out as needed then to keep the levels up.

But then again, a train from Fresno to Bakersfield is super important...
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Or if we could build more reservoirs.
There's at least one planned in my area.

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Or maybe at times like these, not let so much out, let the reservoirs fill up, then when we start getting snow run-off, let it out as needed then to keep the levels up.
Uh, we already do that. City slickers.

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But then again, a train from Fresno to Bakersfield is super important...
Or a tunnel for water under the Sacramento Delta.

Obama administration aids state's giant water-tunnel project - The Orange County Register
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Oroville has a traditional spillway
Oh, damn that's from Whiskeytown lake. Still gnarly tho.


I've been on almost all those NorCal lakes but it's been a while.
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Exactly. 75% of the rain is washing into the ocean at this point. We need a good heavy snow pack to help this summer, and more storage to help in future years.
The delta needed a good douching.
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Or if we could build more reservoirs. Or maybe at times like these, not let so much out, let the reservoirs fill up, then when we start getting snow run-off, let it out as needed then to keep the levels up.

But then again, a train from Fresno to Bakersfield is super important...
One of my accounts is a well drilling supplier and I was asking him about the status of the aquifier under the Phoenix valley. He said since so much of the valley has gone from ag (cotton, oranges, nuts, alfalfa...all huge water users) to urban usage the water table is actually rising, even through the drought. If California Ag would get away from flood irrigation there'd be plenty of water even in extended drought. Food prices would go up, but maybe that would make a dent in the obesity problem.
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PDX area is getting pounded. This is in downtown Portland at about 50 feet above sea level, the hills have over a foot in places.
Me and you come from a different 'downtown' Portland then. I don't see any Heroin addicts or hipsters.

I can't imagine how all the fucktards up there are doing in the snow, they can't even drive in rain.
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Me and you come from a different 'downtown' Portland then. I don't see any Heroin addicts or hipsters.

I can't imagine how all the fucktards up there are doing in the snow, they can't even drive in rain.
Perhaps I should have said in Portland city limits...

I'm a few minutes out of downtown since you wanna get a technical and shit.

Fortunately it seems like most people stayed home yesterday, there were still some fuck up on the roads but most of them were actually caused by truck drivers from out of town.
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Uh, we already do that. City slickers.


We do? How much water are they letting out of Folsom currently? Orville? Shasta? Vs. how much is coming in?

They will let all the water go, then let it fill up with the snow melt. Then by mid summer, the reservoirs will be empty again. Happened last year. It will happen again this year. I commute over Folsom Lake daily. It got really full then each day it was obvious how fast it was going down.

I'd say let it fill up now then let it out as needed for snow run melt. We'd have full reservoirs much longer.
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Mom's up on Banner Mtn. She had 14" of snow on Saturday, and it was all melted from the rain ever since.

She's emptied 15" a day from the rain gauge since.

Shasta is 20 ft from full.

Quite a difference from 2 years ago when I left.
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Well it's raining like a mofo and my driveway is being washed away as I type this. I wish it were still in the single digits.
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We do? How much water are they letting out of Folsom currently? Orville? Shasta? Vs. how much is coming in?

They will let all the water go, then let it fill up with the snow melt. Then by mid summer, the reservoirs will be empty again. Happened last year. It will happen again this year. I commute over Folsom Lake daily. It got really full then each day it was obvious how fast it was going down.

I'd say let it fill up now then let it out as needed for snow run melt. We'd have full reservoirs much longer.
That was a topic of discussion the whole time I lived in Nor Cal, and they are mandated to have the reservoirs at "minimum pool" by a certain date for flood control. If they wait too long to release water, a warm late winter or spring storm could melt the snow pack so fast that they can't get enough out of the lakes in time to prevent flooding of the rivers. It's a huge balancing act for sure, and a gamble every winter. More storage and better usage is the answer, IMO.
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That was a topic of discussion the whole time I lived in Nor Cal, and they are mandated to have the reservoirs at "minimum pool" by a certain date for flood control. If they wait too long to release water, a warm late winter or spring storm could melt the snow pack so fast that they can't get enough out of the lakes in time to prevent flooding of the rivers. It's a huge balancing act for sure, and a gamble every winter. More storage and better usage is the answer, IMO.

Basically what happened in 96/97 I believe. Ducked a huge chunk of the valley. Anyone notice if smurfblue4j40 has posted. I think he's in slough house are which is usually one of the first to flood. I think they should be ok. They opened the weir yesterday.
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That was a topic of discussion the whole time I lived in Nor Cal, and they are mandated to have the reservoirs at "minimum pool" by a certain date for flood control. If they wait too long to release water, a warm late winter or spring storm could melt the snow pack so fast that they can't get enough out of the lakes in time to prevent flooding of the rivers. It's a huge balancing act for sure, and a gamble every winter. More storage and better usage is the answer, IMO.
Depends on the reservoir and it's purpose. Folsom was built primarily for flood control, not long term water storage, Shasta and Oroville also provide flood control, but are used for water storage in particular. They all have to release in advance of large rains to prevent topping the dam.

For rains like this, the river would be washed out no matter what, so infrastructure preservation becomes paramount.

Bear River out of Rollins typically runs at 700 cfs (just out of the powerhouse). With the lake spilling, the last reading I heard was 12,000 cfs.
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Geebus, enuf already.

For those not in the know, California's drought is over. At least up here.
So if it stopped raining for the next 12 months again you'd still be out of a drought? You'd be back in here in July talking about how it's a drought and there isn't any water. Just because the water levels are above average for the time doesn't mean you're out of a drought.

The rain from the Truckee River will "peter out" at Pyramid Lake.

Oroville Dam. It was the largest man man damn for a LONG time. The train cars they're talking about running ran non-stop for 7 years or something like that and the rock they used to build it was just outside of town and apparently regularly was 100+F during the cold parts of summer. My step-dad remembers hearing and watching the trains run as a kid.

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Geebus, enuf already.

For those not in the know, California's drought is over. At least up here.
There never was a drought in Nevada County. The drought was down hill. The state water board and the media makes it about the state.

A couple of years ago, a employee at the Truckee irrigation didstrict said to the media that they weren't in a drought. He was right, but it was a stupid thing to say.
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Delta is pretty full

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No kidding. They said a couple of days ago on the news that more than a trillion gallons of rainwater has dumped on CA.

I took this pic yesterday here in Disco.

If you look at that ramp leading out to the boat dock, it normally goes down at about a 30 degree angle. It's a steep little climb up to the deck when you are hammered. Now it's like you are almost walking UP to the dock. (Some people here actually have ramps at an incline now because of how high the water is)

I have not seen the delta this high since the late 90's
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No kidding. They said a couple of days ago on the news that more than a trillion gallons of rainwater has dumped on CA.

I took this pic yesterday here in Disco.

If you look at that ramp leading out to the boat dock, it normally goes down at about a 30 degree angle. It's a steep little climb up to the deck when you are hammered. Now it's like you are almost walking UP to the dock. (Some people here actually have ramps at an incline now because of how high the water is)

I have not seen the delta this high since the late 90's

Wow, that's up higher than i've seen it since the mid 80's.
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