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Old 01-16-2017, 01:40 PM   #51 (permalink)
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You do understand, that they are not heating them to 70 degrees. Either way, you'll need to fix the drainage.
I figured 35-36degrees would be sufficient, but that's just a guess.
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7 Add a anchor post at the top of the driveway and use your winch.
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Lower part of my driveway must by 5" thick, smooth glare ice. Upper part's only 3". Even in the woods... you should see my poor dog trying to find a place to shit. Well, she is neurotic, but still.
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Old 01-16-2017, 02:12 PM   #54 (permalink)
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I wonder how feasible it might be to use geothermal heat.

Dig a pit like you would to sink a cesspool. Go down say 15 feet.

Lay a long coil of pex/pvc/whatever in there. Use 1 1/2 to twice as much as will be under the driveway. Fill the pipe with something that won't freeze and a circ pump to keep it in motion.

The ground should be at 60 degrees that far down and if the water in the pipe gets up to 40 that might be all you need.

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I wonder how feasible it might be to use geothermal heat.

Dig a pit like you would to sink a cesspool. Go down say 15 feet.

Lay a long coil of pex/pvc/whatever in there. Use 1 1/2 to twice as much as will be under the driveway. Fill the pipe with something that won't freeze and a circ pump to keep it in motion.

The ground should be at 60 degrees that far down and if the water in the pipe gets up to 40 that might be all you need.
Thats a pretty good idea, but I doubt the liquid will stay as warm as you think. I dont know a lot about geothermal though.
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Old 01-16-2017, 02:38 PM   #57 (permalink)
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You're not fucking kidding. The whole state is covered in ice right now.
I havent seen a base layer of ice like this in years.

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7 Add a anchor post at the top of the driveway and use your winch.
Not a bad idea
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Old 01-16-2017, 02:40 PM   #58 (permalink)
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Thats a pretty good idea, but I doubt the liquid will stay as warm as you think. I dont know a lot about geothermal though.
I used to know all the thermodynamic equations but I don't any more. Someone can probably chime in who is current. SHould not be hard to compute.

Since you only need the driveway tubing to be warm enough to prevent freezing it should be a simpler system to size than if you wanted to heat your home.
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Some examples are given below so that you can approximate your square footage. Lets say you only want to do tire tracks to get you up or down an incline on your driveway.

100 foot tracks = 400 square feet - 100 foot long x 2 foot wide = 200 square feet x 2 tracks = 400

200 foot tracks = 800 square feet - 200 foot long x 2 foot wide = 400 square feet x 2 tracks = 800

300 foot tracks = 1200 square feet - 300 foot long x 2 foot wide = 600 square feet x 2 tracks =1200

400 foot tracks = 1600 square feet - 400 foor long x 2 foot wide = 800 square feet x 2 tracks =1600

500 foot tracks = 2000 square feet - 500 foot long x 2 foot wide = 1000 square feet x 2 tracks 2000

Pad in front of single car garage = 9 foot wide x 30 for turn around / backup area = 270 square feet

Pad in front of double car garage = 18 foot wide x 30 for turn around / backup area = 540 square feet

Pad in front of triple car garage = 27 foot wide x 30 for turn around / backup area = 810 square feet

On average a two car garage pad area (540 square feet) and a 100 foot long set of tracks (400 square feet) equals 940 square feet of snow/ice free driveway. includes total kW cost, 34.8 kW's.and would cost you approximately $23.49. *plus any taxes, etc that utilites charge. Just think, thats almost 1000 square feet of Snow and Ice free driveway for under *$25.00. Not to mention the additional benefit that the system will automatically start and shut whether its 2 o'clock in the morning or 2 o'clock in the afternoon, whether you're at home on the weekend or at work. You can't beat that!
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From the link I posted above, it also has calculator to figure the cost

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Salt for water softener is $4 40lb bag, crushed 3/4" gravel it when it's slick. It's no rocket science. I have over 1/3 mile of steep driveway in MT.
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My driveway is 380' long and raises 75' in elevation. The only thing I have found that works is just sand and lots of it. Too much salt just and the ice just re-forms. We have had a lot of ice this year and I have put down close to a 1000 lbs of sand. I also use all the ashes from my wood stove. I would also recommend not using too much salt on a gravel driveway. It can turn you drive way to mud and makes it hard to plow or snow blow.
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Old 01-16-2017, 03:42 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Salt for water softener is $4 40lb bag, crushed 3/4" gravel it when it's slick. It's no rocket science. I have over 1/3 mile of steep driveway in MT.
I just use pea gravel, found that when I used salt it nuked the trees on either side of the drive and contaminated the creek near the road...
Same type price for the gravel in 40# bags at Lowes.

The grade of my drive is roughly 6% at one end and about 8% on the other end (Horse shoe drive design).

Because of how its designed I blow off plowing the 8% portion, marginally 1 vehicle width and nasty drop on the downhill side. By doing that the grandkids have a "fun" sledding hill...
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Plow it before driving on it
Don't trailer in bad weather
Drive like you stole it to get up.
That's how I handle mine

I did have an issue with the neighbors running their gutters across my driveway, rerouted them a few years ago and it's 100% better

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gona need to build a small culvert uphill by the side of the road. you might get away with an open french drain setup. Take it under the road and on the downhill side every so often so in case one section plugs up the whole thing isn't lost.
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I live not so far from the OP and grew up plowing commercially and @cj5.5 is right, moar sand until you can fix whatever the root problem is in the summer. It's New England, that'll happen. once the ground is frozen gravel is easier to plow anyway, pavement gets slippery awfully quick on inclines even without that much ice.

Heated driveways would be stupid expensive not only to install (granite state) but would cost a fortune to run even if it was antifreezed. Just sand the fucking thing like everyone else.

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I live not so far from the OP and grew up plowing commercially and CJ5.5 is right, moar sand until you can fix whatever the root problem is in the summer. It's New England, that'll happen. once the ground is frozen gravel is easier to plow anyway, pavement gets slippery awfully quick on inclines even without that much ice.

Heated driveways would be stupid expensive not only to install (granite state) but would cost a fortune to run even if it was antifreezed. Just sand the fucking thing like everyone else.
You have permanent brain freeze don't you ?
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You have permanent brain freeze don't you ?
Seems to be going around this time of year.
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I didn't read the whole thread, seemed like a pretty obvious answer.
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7 Add a anchor post at the top of the driveway and use your winch.
I would do this if I could. My driveway is downhill to my place, and the road is too busy to dare pulling cable across.

For the 3 times a year I actually get stuck it would be a fine solution... Just no way I can do it safely pulling cable across the road.
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I would do this if I could. My driveway is downhill to my place, and the road is too busy to dare pulling cable across.

For the 3 times a year I actually get stuck it would be a fine solution... Just no way I can do it safely pulling cable across the road.
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