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Old 02-13-2017, 06:39 PM   #626 (permalink)
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They didn't address it and yet, they awarded him 2nd place... Am I the only one wondering wtf happened to make it okay?
What do you mean it wasn't addressed? If you're expecting a call from Dave Cole to explain why he stayed on the podium...can I have your stuff?

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Most all racing has some leeway, especially dirt sports. Think WRC, Dakar
Pretty sure these 2 take checkpoints very seriously. As I said before Cody Webb lost the race that he dominated due to a missed checkpoint. Would his checkpoint have made a difference in the race, no.
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Was sheerererer leading during the third lap at all?
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The UTV I pitted for originally was DNF'd until he turned in his tracker. They reviewed it and gave him the finish. Either the timing gate at main was jacked up or he missed it when leaving the pits. If he missed it, he went where the course worker told him to go to get back on course.
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Pretty sure these 2 take checkpoints very seriously. As I said before Cody Webb lost the race that he dominated due to a missed checkpoint. Would his checkpoint have made a difference in the race, no.
You're right they do, but the way they administer penalties is kind of...arbitrary.
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Was sheerererer leading during the third lap at all?
Yeah...Scherer had a wonky tracker so it was hard to tell exactly where he was but he and Waylon lead the 3rd lap after Wayes broke on spooners, till Shannon caught them with a couple miles to go!
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All I have to add is it makes me smile everytime I see you guys type Scherererer

And a few years ago didn't Randy miss a checkpoint and get third and then disqualify himself so as not to cause issues??
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I don't care that Shannon drove over my rope, I don't care that he took 35 feet of my winch extension, 30 feet off my drum, my flatlink and looked at it drove over it. That is what it is, he didn't have verbal or visual permission to do either one of those. I did my best to get my car out of the way so I wasn't blocking the notch in spooners. I tried to point out to drivers that I could signal to take the high line while trying to fix my rear driveline. Every other driver managed to go around clean.
At that point he had 50-60 feet of my rope wrapped around his front left axle, I ran up next to him less then a foot from his window. He stopped, I reached in to untangle the mess and he stood on the gas, now I'm belling surfing his drivers front tire getting mostly run over trying to hang on to his door bar and not get my legs run over by his back tires. Then I got the rope out and he proceeded. End of story, I was pissed wanted to file a red card and didn't push it. There the facts Memes
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Not much to explain, he ripped a tire apart off the wheel and the tire balls inside flew everywhere
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Can anyone explain this??

Crappy tires blew apart and lost their stuff.
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Sooooo, they weren't outlawed?
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Sooooo, they weren't outlawed?
From what I understand this is the last year.

Why are they not being allowed?
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Sooooo, they weren't outlawed?
They're done after this season if I remember right.
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From what I understand this is the last year.

Why are they not being allowed?
"To Ultra4 Drivers, fans, and partners,
As many of you are aware, the concept of eliminating the use of redundant tire inflation systems (Tire Liners, Tire Balls, etc) has been discussed from multiple perspectives. From my perspective as the promoter of Ultra4 Racing, I need to provide a safe and competitive racing series. The bottom line is that having the 'safety net' that you won't get a flat tire allows drivers to take risks with impunity. Those risks lead to an event that is harder to contain in a safe and predictable manner (as predictable as Off Road Racing can be). Secondarily, as a fan of the sport, I believe the ability to take care of your equipment is an area that differentiates competitors. I have held these views for several years now but have staunchly stood by our chief tenant of Unlimited Off Road Racing.
Over the past year, I have been approached by both competitors and Tire Manufacturers regarding the continued use of the technology. At this year's King of the Hammers I asked all of our participating tire partners to join us for a meeting to discuss this issue and enforcing the DOT Tire rule in the EMC Classes of racing. All of the partners, with the exception of one, were present and all unanimously indicated from their point of view they would like to see this technology eliminated. This is not an indictment of a given brand. In fact, most tire companies have a variation of the same technology. Their perspective was that they wanted their tire designs to stand on their own merit. They all agreed that without the fall back of a secondary inflation system, they would be required to keep pushing development technology to make a better product. I have spoken to at least twenty teams individually and with very few exceptions have received variations of the same sentiments.
I want to be very clear. There has never been discussion about the safety or performance of any of these technologies. The ancillary finding that teams with secondary inflation systems experience more flats is almost certainly attributed to more aggressive driving as opposed to performance of the systems.
The final concern I had was an obligation to our drivers to protect their investments as best as possible. I do not want to cause teams to mothball thousands of dollars of parts based on a rule change. I have spoken to both manufacturers and teams and have quantified the service life of existing systems at two years.
As such, effective 12/31/2017, redundant tire inflation systems, anything that could be used to retain the tire profile in a puncture situation, will be illegal for use in Ultra4 competition.
As always, I am available to discuss this, or any matter, at any time.
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And a few years ago didn't Randy miss a checkpoint and get third and then disqualify himself so as not to cause issues??
That was Tom, and it was 1st.

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Why are they not being allowed?
That picture might have something to do with it. They're a PITA to pick up if they ever depart the tire.

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They're done after this season if I remember right.
Correct.
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Cool. Good info. Actually makes sense. When I first say the tire shredding I thought it was rocks getting kicked up. I had never seen the tire balls before.
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That was Tom, and it was 1st.
No, what Brad speaks of did happen to Randy... I believe it was 2009.
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"To Ultra4 Drivers, fans, and partners,
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Over the past year, I have been approached by both competitors and Tire Manufacturers regarding the continued use of the technology. At this year's King of the Hammers I asked all of our participating tire partners to join us for a meeting to discuss this issue and enforcing the DOT Tire rule in the EMC Classes of racing. All of the partners, with the exception of one, were present and all unanimously indicated from their point of view they would like to see this technology eliminated. This is not an indictment of a given brand. In fact, most tire companies have a variation of the same technology. Their perspective was that they wanted their tire designs to stand on their own merit. They all agreed that without the fall back of a secondary inflation system, they would be required to keep pushing development technology to make a better product. I have spoken to at least twenty teams individually and with very few exceptions have received variations of the same sentiments.
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The final concern I had was an obligation to our drivers to protect their investments as best as possible. I do not want to cause teams to mothball thousands of dollars of parts based on a rule change. I have spoken to both manufacturers and teams and have quantified the service life of existing systems at two years.
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As always, I am available to discuss this, or any matter, at any time.
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I wonder if the tire ball mfg was invited.
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No, what Brad speaks of did happen to Randy... I believe it was 2009.
Yes this is what I was talking about. That was the year I raced with Mello.
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I have heard that Jason stopped for Loren when Loren was holding his Car-B-Q and Scherererererer helped him with it.

While that is AWESOME and totally the type of person Jay is...the question is...

Did he stop for more than 3 minutes? If he didn't ....he would have won.
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I have heard that Jason stopped for Loren when Loren was holding his Car-B-Q and Scherererererer helped him with it.

While that is AWESOME and totally the type of person Jay is...the question is...

Did he stop for more than 3 minutes? If he didn't ....he would have won.
Not necessarily, he could have run into different traffic, not gotten a benefit of following someones line on a trail or in the desert. I know what you're saying, but a million things could have happened to affect the outcome in any alternative situation.

Think if there was a problem, and you didn't stop, and then the person had a total loss, serious injury, death, etc. That'd be rough for some to swallow.
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Not necessarily, he could have run into different traffic, not gotten a benefit of following someones line on a trail or in the desert. I know what you're saying, but a million things could have happened to affect the outcome in any alternative situation.

Think if there was a problem, and you didn't stop, and then the person had a total loss, serious injury, death, etc. That'd be rough for some to swallow.
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2009 Randy placed 2nd. Come to find out he missed a small section of the course and DQd himself.

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