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Old 06-09-2017, 12:43 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Generally speaking, residential wiring is done to minimal standards done by so called electricians who have very little knowledge....
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They are allowed with 14g. 12g won't fit in them. Yes, they exist. It's just that nobody who knows what they're doing uses them.
12g will fit just fine if you drill out the holes. Carefully- so the bit doesnt hook the internals.
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Im not seeing it in the specs, but will that take 12ga wire?
Most receptacles will except 12 gauge. When you wire a kitchen you wire it up for two 20 small appliance branch circuits. Then you install 15 amp gfci's and regular receptacles.
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Most receptacles will except 12 gauge. When you wire a kitchen you wire it up for two 20 small appliance branch circuits. Then you install 15 amp gfci's and regular receptacles.
Which SUCKS ASS when you wire a grage that way and fire up something with a 16A motor.

Hard to find a 20A GFI
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Which SUCKS ASS when you wire a grage that way and fire up something with a 16A motor.

Hard to find a 20A GFI
20 amp GFCI's are all over. Hell you can still even find them for Zinsco panels. Use article 430 and size your ocpd to the motor based off the service factor.

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Im not seeing it in the specs, but will that take 12ga wire?
Definitely.
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There's a reason push in aren't used any more.
What is the issue with them? Are they more likely to pull out and if so what can cause that?

I'm nearly done with a remodel of my house and was going to upgrade all the kitchen and bathroom outlets to GFI since the house was built before they became code. Most of the outlets I'm seeing online are push in. I'll check some stores when I get back in town for the other style.
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I'm nearly done with a remodel of my house and was going to upgrade all the kitchen and bathroom outlets to GFI since the house was built before they became code. Most of the outlets I'm seeing online are push in. I'll check some stores when I get back in town for the other style.
"All" the outlets? Or just the first one in each chain, like a sane person?

I used back-wired GFI outlets. They're out there.
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What is the issue with them? Are they more likely to pull out and if so what can cause that?

I'm nearly done with a remodel of my house and was going to upgrade all the kitchen and bathroom outlets to GFI since the house was built before they became code. Most of the outlets I'm seeing online are push in. I'll check some stores when I get back in town for the other style.
They are known to come loose over time. Also, like I said earlier, stab in are only made any more for 14awg wire.

There are back wired, like posted earlier, that has the wire go through the back but has a screw on the side to tighten it. That's different than the stab in.
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That cord happens to have its ground removed and on the right is the hot.
put your shoes on
grab a paperclip and stick it in the hot

you don't feel nothing
now touch ground
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That cord happens to have its ground removed and on the right is the hot.

That's a pretty crappy picture for having to guess the ground was removed from the cord. Can you find something more obscure to feign your brilliance with?
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20 amp GFCI's are all over. Hell you can still even find them for Zinsco panels. Use article 430 and size your ocpd to the motor based off the service factor.

Screwy likes to pretend he know electrical stuff.
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20 amp GFCI's are all over. Hell you can still even find them for Zinsco panels. Use article 430 and size your ocpd to the motor based off the service factor.

Yeah, but the inspector wanted a Waterproof/Childproof model.

Might be available, but I couldn't find it with those feature. Yes, a plain old GFCI in 20A is common.
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Which SUCKS ASS when you wire a grage that way and fire up something with a 16A motor.

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Yeah, but the inspector wanted a Waterproof/Childproof model.

Might be available, but I couldn't find it with those feature. Yes, a plain old GFCI in 20A is common.

Try an electrical supplier. I buy them all the time at Platt, Crescent, Border States, etc. It's a weather resistant, tamper proof.


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Try an electrical supplier. I buy them all the time at Platt, Crescent, Border States, etc. It's a weather resistant, tamper proof.
Meh, in another week or two the house will be fired up and I won't have to dick with it no more. They're on a temp. power pole at the moment, and that's getting yanked.
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Generally speaking, residential wiring is done to minimal standards done by so called electricians who have very little knowledge....
Really! Gee lets see AAS in Electronics and 27 years in the trade working all phases, and types of electrical construction. 20 years as a contractor mostly custom residential because, I happen to enjoy the interaction with the customers making sure that they get exactly what they want. Not sure where you are from, but every 3 years I have to have 16 hours of continuing ed to get my license renewed, 8 of which is the new code, 8 generally is first aid or some other aspect in the trade.
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Really! Gee lets see AAS in Electronics and 27 years in the trade working all phases, and types of electrical construction. 20 years as a contractor mostly custom residential because, I happen to enjoy the interaction with the customers making sure that they get exactly what they want. Not sure where you are from, but every 3 years I have to have 16 hours of continuing ed to get my license renewed, 8 of which is the new code, 8 generally is first aid or some other aspect in the trade.
Psst, he said "generally".
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Really! Gee lets see AAS in Electronics and 27 years in the trade working all phases, and types of electrical construction. 20 years as a contractor mostly custom residential because, I happen to enjoy the interaction with the customers making sure that they get exactly what they want. Not sure where you are from, but every 3 years I have to have 16 hours of continuing ed to get my license renewed, 8 of which is the new code, 8 generally is first aid or some other aspect in the trade.
Yes, I said generally ,and it's not personal.. My experience was 35 years in commercial, industrial, institutional as a wireman and contractor. I have the usual master licenses and certificates from training and so on...
I stand by my statement...Residential wiring is is very basic and it still gets messed up..

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"All" the outlets? Or just the first one in each chain, like a sane person?

I used back-wired GFI outlets. They're out there.
I have no idea which is the first outlet in each chain and really don't want to tear up the walls to figure it out
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