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Old 07-26-2017, 01:00 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Your talking about one guy I'm taking about the entire transgender community
You're not even smart enough to run basic power tools without turning it into a Greek tragedy, yet you think you have a grasp of what every transgender persons mindset is?

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Assumptions aside, I would have to say that if he's a taxpaying citizens of the United States, he damn well does have a right to air his opinion, whether you agree with it or not is beside the point.
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Old 07-26-2017, 01:02 PM   #77 (permalink)
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I think its a great decision, I agree 100%. Oh, wait does the military have tranny shops?
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Old 07-26-2017, 01:08 PM   #78 (permalink)
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Mental instability.



As I mentioned, the individual in question committed suicide. Even attempted suicide is a disqualifier for entry into service.

Does/did LGBT status grant special exemptions for suicide attempts that no one else receives? I'm a firm believer in one size fits all equal treatment.
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Old 07-26-2017, 01:09 PM   #79 (permalink)
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PERSONALLY if anyone wants to join the Miltary they should allowed to if they pass required testing and physical requirements to go to basic.

USN SEAL - Chris Beck is transgender and served and kicked ass.


If an individual really wants to serve in the military, here is your guide: Enlist as (a) Male if you have a penis (b) Female if you don't. Keep your issues to yourself and serve honorably. Military service is about you serving the military and their needs, not the military serving you and your needs. Chris Beck did this, an example others can follow.
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Does/did LGBT status grant special exemptions for suicide attempts that no one else receives? I'm a firm believer in one size fits all equal treatment.
We're not talking about "LGBT", so you can move on from that misnomer.

But in regards to trans individuals, for those that are on hormone replacement therapy, there is a high occurrence of depression associated with the drugs.

OTOH, service members with depression issues associated with PTSD are discharged and put under the care of the VA.

So No, the treatment isn't equal in regards to mental health treatment.
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Old 07-26-2017, 01:47 PM   #81 (permalink)
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We're not talking about "LGBT", so you can move on from that misnomer.

But in regards to trans individuals, for those that are on hormone replacement therapy, there is a high occurrence of depression associated with the drugs.

OTOH, service members with depression issues associated with PTSD are discharged and put under the care of the VA.

So No, the treatment isn't equal in regards to mental health treatment.
You were talking about someone who came out as gay, Hank equivocated being gay as getting special treatment - my original question was to him since he was expanding the scope of the issue.

I'm no expert on being trans and hormone therapy by a long shot, but I've got more experience than I'd wish on anyone with dealing with what happens when someone who's on hormone therapy (results of cancer surgery and treatments) goes off their meds or needs their dosage adjusted. If they're on hormone therapy for any reason I'd treat it similarly to diabetes that requires regular insulin injections - it'd be a medical disqualification.

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Old 07-26-2017, 01:50 PM   #82 (permalink)
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Meh don't really care one way or the other.

If you can hold a gun, point it at the enemy and not at your fellow solders then, that is all that really matters in the end.
The problem is that when "Pat" is skipping to "It's raining men" while on patrol and steps on a mine and takes a few people with him that is where I have a problem.

Like Terry said, the VA is fucking terrible with mental health issues. My girlfriend served and has PTSD and they do just about nothing for her. Living out of town has helped.

Thank you to all who have served.

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Old 07-26-2017, 01:51 PM   #83 (permalink)
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I've never met a tranny, but I don't understand the mindset to be so sure that nature/god is wrong that they are willing to go to such extremes to correct the "error".. It's not like a life threatening disease or birth defect, it's mind vs body. What if the body is right and the mind is wrong?
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Old 07-26-2017, 01:54 PM   #84 (permalink)
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PERSONALLY if anyone wants to join the Miltary they should allowed to if they pass required testing and physical requirements to go to basic.

USN SEAL - Chris Beck is transgender and served and kicked ass.


If an individual really wants to serve in the military, here is your guide: Enlist as (a) Male if you have a penis (b) Female if you don't. Keep your issues to yourself and serve honorably. Military service is about you serving the military and their needs, not the military serving you and your needs. Chris Beck did this, an example others can follow.
the thing that i think is different with Beck is, as far as i can tell, he didnt serve as a trans-ginger in the military. he served as a man. Maybe he was transginger in his mind, and knew it, but he kept it to himself and did his duty. I dont see that as related to anything that this has to do with. He marked Male, was always a male, didnt have to have any treatment different than a male, and then when he got out he decided he didnt want his weiner anymore.


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Old 07-26-2017, 01:57 PM   #85 (permalink)
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and that didn't take long. Liberals and celebs are starting with the unhinging calling Trump a homophobe and an enemy to LGBTQ, yadda yadda. Yet none of those fucking celebrities ever served.....
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Old 07-26-2017, 02:06 PM   #86 (permalink)
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Well that didn't take long, apparently Trump swapped transgenders in the military for the Freedom Caucus' support for funding the Mexico border wall.

Trump banned transgender people in military to save border wall funding: Report

So I guess it was cupping social conservatives in Congress' balls after all.

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Did you read the article, it mostly has to do with the costs involved.
Don't fall for that. There is a lot of poor spending in the government/military, this is just a blanket.

Why not dis allow african Americans because they have a higher risk of heart disease?

Or Hispanics because they get diabetes?

Or whites for colon cancer?

Race and ethnicity: Clues to your heart disease risk? - Harvard Health

What I'm saying, is grouping people together and segregating them, is not a good idea.
This has to be a case by case basis.
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Yup. Many people used very similar arguements in the past to exclude women from serving.
Excellent point!

Women, with all of these babies falling out of them and having these cycles every 28 days, think of the costs involved for that up keep! Let's put them all in a bucket and kick them out too!
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Old 07-26-2017, 02:19 PM   #89 (permalink)
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Transgenders are what 1% of 1% of the population? How many of them are really going to want to join the military 1% of them? And how many of the guys are saying that just so they can get into the women's bathrooms?
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Transgenders are what 1% of 1% of the population? How many of them are really going to want to join the military 1% of them? An d how many of the guys are saying that just so they can get into the women's bathrooms?
Apparently at least 2,450 of them according to a Rand report, military LGBT advocacy groups claim 15,000 but I would guess that's inflated. Kinda surprised me the number was anywhere near that high.
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More people than you would guess are born with mixed up chromosomes. These are real human beings, who are handed life choices that are much more challenging than any most of us have to ever make. I think that they deserve a legitimate opportunity to live their life as they see fit, even though they have genetic issues most people are happy to pretend don't exist.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr...ivity_syndrome People who are genetically male (XY), but never grew a penis.

People who have XXY chromosomes, who have some traits of both sexes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome

There are people who have XYY chromosomes too.
https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/xyy-syndrome/

All of those types are more common than the 15000 to 35000 people in the US who have even rarer XXXY or XXYY chromosomes.


There is a lot more to it than most realize. Consider the millions of fellow Americans who live with these legitimate challenges before you spout off shit as if it's purely a psychological problem. For many, it's very real to feel like they are in the wrong body, because they got a weird roll of the genetic dice.

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We need commentary in this thread from smithkp. He has loads of military and transgender experience. Is he still banned?
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Old 07-26-2017, 02:35 PM   #95 (permalink)
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We need commentary in this thread from smithkp. He has loads of military and transgender experience. Is he still banned?
he is, but I thought the same thing
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Holy fuck. How is this such an issue? Reddman, sure, feel sorry for them; they have a hard life, whatever. That doesn't mean they need go serve within the greatest fighting force in the world. Mentally handicapped are unable to join, yeah it sucks, if that's their dream, but it is what it fucking is. This isn't Radio where the opponent lets team retard score; war is just that, fucking war. There's no room to have some asshole weirding out the squad because he went from Larry to Mary.


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What I'm saying, is grouping people together and segregating them, is not a good idea.
This has to be a case by case basis.
Sure, but that's hard and may require more than 144 characters to sort out.
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Holy fuck. How is this such an issue? Reddman, sure, feel sorry for them; they have a hard life, whatever. That doesn't mean they need go serve within the greatest fighting force in the world. Mentally handicapped are unable to join, yeah it sucks, if that's their dream, but it is what it fucking is. This isn't Radio where the opponent lets team retard score; war is just that, fucking war. There's no room to have some asshole weirding out the squad because he went from Larry to Mary.


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