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Old 07-26-2017, 03:34 PM   #101 (permalink)
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Really, my biggest concern about this announcement is his use of "my generals." That's the sort of thing that sends chills down my spine.
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the thing that i think is different with Beck is, as far as i can tell, he didnt serve as a trans-ginger in the military. he served as a man. Maybe he was transginger in his mind, and knew it, but he kept it to himself and did his duty. I dont see that as related to anything that this has to do with. He marked Male, was always a male, didnt have to have any treatment different than a male, and then when he got out he decided he didnt want his weiner anymore.


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I hear ya, friend. Trump is out of control. We need the resistance way more than occupied France ever did. If only those generals had to take an oath that wasn't to The Donald hisowngotdammnedself. We should set that up. We could get rid of that barbaric secret ceremony where they have to kill a puppy bullshit too. That shit is almost as scary as the global warming climate changes and those things that go up.



Well, not so much the things that go up. But, if you combine them with a bayonet lug and hole for your thumb, all sorts of mayhem is straight up guaranteed. It's given me many sleepless nights because of the night chillers all across my spine.


Don't know how to double quote but what part of the phrase "my generals" is wrong?
He's not only the President of The United States, but also the Commander in Chief of the military; which includes Generals. The only thing different than a Jr NCO squad leader referencing his squad as "his soldiers" is the fact he doesn't wear the monkey suit.
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Really, my biggest concern about this announcement is his use of "my generals." That's the sort of thing that sends chills down my spine.
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I hear ya, friend. Trump is out of control. We need the resistance way more than occupied France ever did. If only those generals had to take an oath that wasn't to The Donald hisowngotdammnedself. We should set that up. We could get rid of that barbaric secret ceremony where they have to kill a puppy bullshit too. That shit is almost as scary as the global warming climate changes and those things that go up.

Well, not so much the things that go up. But, if you combine them with a bayonet lug and hole for your thumb, all sorts of mayhem is straight up guaranteed. It's given me many sleepless nights because of the night chillers all across my spine.


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Define mentally disturbed. How is this worse than someone who has a PTSD episode and leaves your ass hanging?
A fairly hard thing to quantify.

About the only comparable statistic I can think of would be suicides.


Trangenders have a suicide rate about 10 times the national average.

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Those with PTSD are three times more likely to commit suicide than those without.

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His timing sucked but it's the right decision. Our Armed Forces are not about social awareness science experiments. It's about ruthless efficiency and predictability and standardization. And I am completely LGBTQ agnostic.
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Does/did LGBT status grant special exemptions for suicide attempts that no one else receives? I'm a firm believer in one size fits all equal treatment.
No, there are no exemptions for suicide attempts. You attempt one, you're either out of the military or not getting in.
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USN SEAL - Chris Beck is transgender and served and kicked ass.
I don't have an issue with it. Beck served as a male, met male fitness standards, and made the change after retirement. Not something the government should be paying for while the service member is active duty.
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If they're on hormone therapy for any reason I'd treat it similarly to diabetes that requires regular insulin injections - it'd be a medical disqualification.
So birth control pills are a disqualification?
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More people than you would guess are born with mixed up chromosomes. These are real human beings, who are handed life choices that are much more challenging than any most of us have to ever make. I think that they deserve a legitimate opportunity to live their life as they see fit, even though they have genetic issues most people are happy to pretend don't exist.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr...ivity_syndrome People who are genetically male (XY), but never grew a penis.

People who have XXY chromosomes, who have some traits of both sexes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome

There are people who have XYY chromosomes too.
https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/xyy-syndrome/

All of those types are more common than the 15000 to 35000 people in the US who have even rarer XXXY or XXYY chromosomes.


There is a lot more to it than most realize. Consider the millions of fellow Americans who live with these legitimate challenges before you spout off shit as if it's purely a psychological problem. For many, it's very real to feel like they are in the wrong body, because they got a weird roll of the genetic dice.
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There is a lot more to it than most realize. .....................
Let me simplify it:

- Gender is biological. You are biologically male or female, except for the various and not too common birth defects (born with both male and female genitalia, etc.). But except for birth defects, it is male or female.

- Homosexuality is a preference for sexual partners of the same gender. There is a societal basis for this dating back to hunter-gatherer days when the menz were out hunting and the womenz were at camp raising kids.

- Trans-genderism (a biologic male identifying as a female, or vice versa) is caused by the amount and rate at which estrogen is presented to the developing foetus at a specific stage of the pregnancy, and is INDEPENDENT of biological gender or decision to practice homosexuality.

These are three independent concepts. Society treats them as one, causing confusion.
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The transgender suicide rate is around 40% and has been shown not to be due to discrimination. It's due to mental illness. We have too many people killing themselves due to PTSD without adding to the problem.

Transgender people require lifetime medical treatments, hormones, etc. Their bodies are male or female, yet they try to deny nature by altering the natural course of biology by switching their gender and screwing up their natural chemistry. The American public shouldn't have to support a lifetime of medical responsibility for an optional procedure.

I'm sure that transgender people can be capable in all sorts of jobs, but we need less political correctness, fewer adaptations and changes to get the job done, and we need to focus on doing what the military does: Breaking things, killing people, controlling assets and territory, and protecting our country. Messing with the delicate chemistry of working units, time tested training methods, and funding millions to continue this social experiment is a bad idea.

Transgender people represent such a minuscule percentage of the population, less than 1/10 of 1%, that it's ridiculous to implement wide ranging policies across the entire military structure. Any warfighter worth his salt can see the insanity of appeasing a numerically insignificant population at a high investment and monetary cost to the entire structure. We're not talking about equal access to food or shelter, we're talking about completely restructuring the entire U.S. Military to adapt to a handful of people. That's insanity. We need to focus on the tasks at hand and like war, people are going to get offended, but that's what gets the job done. The military exists to carry out a mission, not to act as a medical unit for for people with prior issues.


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Let me simplify it:

- Gender is biological. You are biologically male or female, except for the various and not too common birth defects (born with both male and female genitalia, etc.). But except for birth defects, it is male or female.

- Homosexuality is a preference for sexual partners of the same gender. There is a societal basis for this dating back to hunter-gatherer days when the menz were out hunting and the womenz were at camp raising kids.

- Trans-genderism (a biologic male identifying as a female, or vice versa) is caused by the amount and rate at which estrogen is presented to the developing foetus at a specific stage of the pregnancy, and is INDEPENDENT of biological gender or decision to practice homosexuality.

These are three independent concepts. Society treats them as one, causing confusion.
But how does that explain me being a transgender lesbian ?
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So birth control pills are a disqualification?
You make a good point... ish. If staying on birth control were directly necessary for protecting the health and well being of a person and their position in the military would put access to that at risk I'd say yes. And yes, I realize I'm walking a fine line because of the multitudes of senior military that are on hormone replacement therapy, testosterone therapy, birth control, blood pressure medication, etc.
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You make a good point... ish. If staying on birth control were directly necessary for protecting the health and well being of a person and their position in the military would put access to that at risk I'd say yes. And yes, I realize I'm walking a fine line because of the multitudes of senior military that are on hormone replacement therapy, testosterone therapy, birth control, blood pressure medication, etc.
You gave no exception for the hormone treatment. Either you're not fully thinking it through, or women can't be on birth control by your qualification. Fully retarded concept. Instead of taking birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies, they'll miss deployments while pregnant. Or in some jobs, be forced to do temporary duty because of restrictions of pregnant women being exposed to hazardous conditions.
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Don't fall for that. There is a lot of poor spending in the government/military, this is just a blanket.

Why not dis allow african Americans because they have a higher risk of heart disease?

Or Hispanics because they get diabetes?

Or whites for colon cancer?

Race and ethnicity: Clues to your heart disease risk? - Harvard Health

What I'm saying, is grouping people together and segregating them, is not a good idea.
This has to be a case by case basis.
This is a stretch. Gender "identity" has nothing to do with ethnicity and their predisposition to certain diseases.

All of those things you mentioned would stop anybody from joining armed forces if it were an issue during recruiting, and it could cause a discharge once in.
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Emotionally fucked up, distracting and medically challenged ? No thanks. The military should have standards.
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