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Old 10-03-2017, 10:27 AM   #626 (permalink)
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.... I rewatched the video. You're right. There seems to be flashes after the gun fire stops, just before the camera pans away.
Just to add, I don't think there are operable windows anywhere on that face of the building. If another window was missing you would see it in the photos. It would take a noticeable amount of effort to remove and replace the window where that strobe was.

They mention the strobe on the police radio someone posted earlier as well. The cops said there was a strobe on the 14th and a shooter on the 21st or 32nd.

There is a lot for conspiracy lovers to latch on to here, hell I've even cooked some up, but I don't think a shooter on another level is one.

What's Alex Jones' take? Paddock got the room, was murdered in a way that makes it look like suicide, operatives fired out of both windows and escaped before SWAT arrived?
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In the video with the cabbie it looked line the windows are above the entrance and a long roof covers the entire front probably fell onto that.


Yes the Port Cochere probably blocked it, and/or there weren't that many people out a that time. Vegas has a high ambient light level and it's noisy, so from 32 floors up maybe nobody on the ground heard the initial break, I dunno.

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Not at all. I go by the theory that if it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck and swims like a duck.

The bumpstock does all of those things. Yet we will let one technicality keep it on the market. Even though we all know that it basically is a poor mans answer for a full auto.
its not a technicality. its a definition of an operating mechanism that is very cut and dried on what it means. its also pretty much the lynch pin that holds together most of our gun laws. without it, semi-automatic firearms would go by the wayside.
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from ny post looks like he had scopes too.

Looks like a bump stock and possible an AR-10.
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:37 AM   #630 (permalink)
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Also, what you will notice in that video is how choppy the guy is while running the 100 round drum. I would assume if you havent practiced with one or are a novice to guns you will run it choppy like that with breaks between bursts. The guy in Vegas seemed to run it very well as the videos show very long burts of fire.

And those large capacity surefire magazines are known to be problematic. This all makes me beleive he also had some illegally converted full auto stuff with different magazines.
That was my thought with the slidefire comments. He had a continuous rate of fire through the whole magazine. It wasn't choppy like I would expect from a slidefire.

regardless, he still killed a bunch of people, but there may be more to the story.
You can get pretty consistent with a slide fire with a little practice. Honestly I doubt it made much difference in the outcome. You loose a bunch of accuracy in full auto.
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When I first saw the video I thought it sounded like a bumpstock. I have a AR-15 with a bump stock. I absolutely hate it (it came on the gun), I am actually ordering a new stock and replacing the one I have. They are stupidly in-accurate, waste a ton of ammo, and each time I shoot it I think the cops are going to get called. Also, when it's switched to normal stock it is bulky and I don't like the feel of it at all.

Honestly it wouldn't bother me if the slide fire/ bumpstocks were banned. I know it can be argued every which direction because you are squeezing the trigger each shot, but in the end it's no different other than it's stupidly in-accurate.... I'm shocked there aren't bullets littered all over Vegas from his bump stock.
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Looks like a bump stock and possible an AR-10.
He had at least 4 AR10's.
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You can get pretty consistent with a slide fire with a little practice. Honestly I doubt it made much difference in the outcome. You loose a bunch of accuracy in full auto.
This is the fact. With full line of sight to all those people packed in together, even a miss is a hit.

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Seriously though, all that glass had to go somewhere. Wouldn't it have showered the folks below, alerting them immediately to something horribly bad happening? Has anyone seen any interviews from bystanders below when the windows were broken out?
Looking at the satellite view, a good bit of the tower, breaking out the windows would fall on the roof of the ground-level gaming/dining/shopping complex below, not on public-access areas. Most of the Vegas casino-resorts I've seen are laid out that way, big expanse of ground or near-ground level gaming, tower on top that isn't near as big as the gaming floor (small width = all rooms have windows; big width = a bunch of interior rooms with no windows, which nobody wants). I know years back at the Stratosphere, rooms with a view of the strip were $$$, rooms with a view of other parts of the hotel were $. Same room (size/amenities), different view.

I'd doubt there were glass-break sensors on the windows (on somebody else's comment) as really, what's the point? About the only reasonably-comprehensible reason somebody would break a window is to jump out, and a glass-break sensor isn't going to help there. It's not like somebody's going to steal anything meaningful from the casino by breaking into a 15th floor window (outside of a Bond or F&F movie). Presumably, if they had glass-break sensors, they'd have pinpointed him faster.

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its not a technicality. its a definition of an operating mechanism that is very cut and dried on what it means. its also pretty much the lynch pin that holds together most of our gun laws. without it, semi-automatic firearms would go by the wayside.
You are 100% correct. I am just stating my opinion that it wont hurt my feelings if the bumpstocks are outlawed. Besides that, I can almost guarantee you that the libs are going to go after one of 2 items out of this... either the bumpstock/ slidefire or rate of fire. I am pretty sure that a lot of lib gun haters are youtubing bumpstock this morning and they are going to be lighting the pitch forks before supper time!
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What's Alex Jones' take? Paddock got the room, was murdered in a way that makes it look like suicide, operatives fired out of both windows and escaped before SWAT arrived?
No clue. I can't stand that guy. I have not seen much of the news out there on this story. Only what's been posted here and what's come across my news feed. I try to stay away from opinion based media outlets. I will do some more research on the whole situation once things settle down and more is known.

I honestly just saw some video pointing out the flashes on the lower floors and came here to discuss it. It's pretty clear that they edited the video down to a short segment that aligns those flashes with the gun shots. It's clearly deceptive now that I've looked at it again.

Weird that there's only the one light though. Maybe curtains are drawn on other floors. Who knows? :shrug:
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Looking at the satellite view, a good bit of the tower, breaking out the windows would fall on the roof of the ground-level gaming/dining/shopping complex below, not on public-access areas. Most of the Vegas casino-resorts I've seen are laid out that way, big expanse of ground or near-ground level gaming, tower on top that isn't near as big as the gaming floor (small width = all rooms have windows; big width = a bunch of interior rooms with no windows, which nobody wants).

I'd doubt there were glass-break sensors on the windows (on somebody else's comment) as really, what's the point? About the only reasonably-comprehensible reason somebody would break a window is to jump out, and a glass-break sensor isn't going to help there. It's not like somebody's going to steal anything meaningful from the casino by breaking into a 15th floor window (outside of a Bond or F&F movie).
Window breaks are part of the life safety system, controlling air flow (oxygen) in the case of a fire. Broken windows make a fire much worse.

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from ny post looks like he had scopes too.
im not taking a shot at Hank, but the disbelief or "look at what he had" is pretty ridiculous. He had about as much as what 10 million other people have in this country. a bipod? so what? scopes? ok. OMG this was [email protected][email protected][email protected]#

no shit he planned it. anything like that is planned, but everything that is intended to kill people is planned. just depends on how well and how smartly it was done.

of course everyone is going to jump on the guns, but just like someone else pointed out, a dude in paris ran a truck into a crowd of people and killed more. would we be more or less shocked if a dude took a diesel tank 18 wheeler and drove it into the middle of the crowd and lit it up? would the people be less dead or injured? would it be more or less of a tragedy?

would there be calls for 18 wheeler bans? tanker control? all outdoor concerts must have 100 yards of concrete traffic barriers in all directions? where does it stop? where does it end?

my theory is no more SHOT show in Vegas and every hotel will have metal detectors when you come in.
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im not taking a shot at Hank, but the disbelief or "look at what he had" is pretty ridiculous. He had about as much as what 10 million other people have in this country. a bipod? so what? scopes? ok. OMG this was [email protected][email protected][email protected]#

no shit he planned it. anything like that is planned, but everything that is intended to kill people is planned. just depends on how well and how smartly it was done.

of course everyone is going to jump on the guns, but just like someone else pointed out, a dude in paris ran a truck into a crowd of people and killed more. would we be more or less shocked if a dude took a diesel tank 18 wheeler and drove it into the middle of the crowd and lit it up? would the people be less dead or injured? would it be more or less of a tragedy?

would there be calls for 18 wheeler bans? tanker control? all outdoor concerts must have 100 yards of concrete traffic barriers in all directions? where does it stop? where does it end?

my theory is no more SHOT show in Vegas and every hotel will have metal detectors when you come in.
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You are 100% correct. I am just stating my opinion that it wont hurt my feelings if the bumpstocks are outlawed. Besides that, I can almost guarantee you that the libs are going to go after one of 2 items out of this... either the bumpstock/ slidefire or rate of fire. I am pretty sure that a lot of lib gun haters are youtubing bumpstock this morning and they are going to be lighting the pitch forks before supper time!
it should hurt your feelings because bump stocks being outlawed and rate of fire limits mean the end of semi-automatic weapons. because those items are tied to the definition of fully and semi-automatic firearms.


i wouldnt doubt if stupid Hillarys comments do kill the Hearing Protection Act.
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it should hurt your feelings because bump stocks being outlawed and rate of fire limits mean the end of semi-automatic weapons. because those items are tied to the definition of fully and semi-automatic firearms.


i wouldnt doubt if stupid Hillarys comments do kill the Hearing Protection Act.
There was already a public brief that they have been mothballed.
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I understand the only reason I pointed it out is a lot of people saying he just sprayed the crowd. This shows it was more personal than that.

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im not taking a shot at Hank, but the disbelief or "look at what he had" is pretty ridiculous. He had about as much as what 10 million other people have in this country. a bipod? so what? scopes? ok. OMG this was [email protected][email protected][email protected]#

no shit he planned it. anything like that is planned, but everything that is intended to kill people is planned. just depends on how well and how smartly it was done.

of course everyone is going to jump on the guns, but just like someone else pointed out, a dude in paris ran a truck into a crowd of people and killed more. would we be more or less shocked if a dude took a diesel tank 18 wheeler and drove it into the middle of the crowd and lit it up? would the people be less dead or injured? would it be more or less of a tragedy?

would there be calls for 18 wheeler bans? tanker control? all outdoor concerts must have 100 yards of concrete traffic barriers in all directions? where does it stop? where does it end?

my theory is no more SHOT show in Vegas and every hotel will have metal detectors when you come in.
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There was already a public brief that they have been mothballed.
shist. i missed that.
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Anyone seen the leaked pic of the body? buddy showed me on his phone but wasnt sure if real, and currently at work...
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You are 100% correct. I am just stating my opinion that it wont hurt my feelings if the bumpstocks are outlawed. Besides that, I can almost guarantee you that the libs are going to go after one of 2 items out of this... either the bumpstock/ slidefire or rate of fire. I am pretty sure that a lot of lib gun haters are youtubing bumpstock this morning and they are going to be lighting the pitch forks before supper time!
So...are you saying we need a law or a way to limit how fast someone can pull a trigger?

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Which body? Iíve seen quite a few this week and itís only Tuesday.
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Looks like the run on bump and slide fire stocks happened already, cant find any for sale.
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Looks like it could be. Same floor with casings all over the place, older white guy. People are really good with photoshop now so I never know.
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