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Old 12-09-2017, 02:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So, junior wants a forge.

I know there's a few of you here, Tundra comes to mind.

Black Smithing appeals to me as well, but this is yet another thing I am clueless about. Where should I (we) start? Forge and anvil? Lesson? What kind of forge?Weight training for the little feller? (he's 14)
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Old 12-09-2017, 02:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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My son watched youtube videos for a quite a while then approached me about getting a forge and anvil. I cut up a 200 gallon oil barrel and made a steel box, left the oil fill holes in the bottom to supply air, mounted it on an old table saw stand, and cut up and drilled holes in a refractory chimney liner for a wood fire. Anvils are expensive, luckily he had a family friend that loaned/gave him one.
He's working on his first knife, a kukri. It's slow going because he has no experience and thinks his first knife should look like the ones the experienced youtubers make. If he gets into it more I'll have to put up a roof for him to work under. Not ideal conditions with the cold, rain and snow this time of year.
There is a local blacksmith that would let him come help or watch but he isn't there on Saturdays and my son is still in school.
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Old 12-09-2017, 02:18 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I think there's some info in o.s.r. about home built ones, or at least info on where to find info...
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Old 12-09-2017, 02:21 PM   #4 (permalink)
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How big and how hot do you need? There are some decent propane fired small forges for blacksmithing. It may work without breaking the bank. If you need something large enough to do a sword... Not so much.
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find local blacksmith that is willing to teach trade, for use of equipment.
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How big and how hot do you need? There are some decent propane fired small forges for blacksmithing. It may work without breaking the bank. If you need something large enough to do a sword... Not so much.
If it happens, we'll start small. I'm sure he has visions of a Claymore dancing in his head, but that can wait, for now.

Well, it seems we have a world champion blacksmith (Stia Italy) living just around the corner from us, wow. We may start with lessons.
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Old 12-09-2017, 05:57 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Maybe this guy would let his forge go cheap...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...rnd/index.html

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Old 12-09-2017, 06:29 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Nothing to add, but banging on hot steel is cool.
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Old 12-09-2017, 07:22 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Not the best, not the top of the line but this is the one I am going to be going with for my shop. Something I can work with, but isn't a break the budget one.

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Something like this can virtually be made for free with parts laying around. Start small to see if he sticks with it. As for an anvil, he better be saving his money. I bought my FIL a HF for his knife making hobby, and it works fine for him. Bigger than knifes and he'll need an upgrade.
No, he doesn't need weight training. He just needs to learn the best way to swing a heavy hammer that's easiest for his body type.
https://youtu.be/0GQl-oqFTnc
Good luck and have fun, blacksmithing is a very rewarding hobby.
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Good luck, it's a deep hole....:
https://ronreil.abana.org/design1.shtml
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ive been following this young kid on youtube and he is pretty cool. he is from the UK, and sells burners (though u can make them yourself, or buy american). BURNERS — Alec Steele
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWi...mr43zfxlCktmNw
I have used a coal forge when i was a teen with my older brother. and it was a lot of fun, but getting coal forge to burn properly is a real pain in the ass. I say go with an old propane tank with both ends cut out, laid on its side, and a propane burner sticking through a hole. Some Kao-wool and refractory inside (or some fire bricks). and theres a forge.
i'd buy some hammers, tongs, anvil on CL. i've also seen people use a chunk of railroad track as an anvil to learn on.
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Good luck, it's a deep hole....:
https://ronreil.abana.org/design1.shtml
Lots of info there, I sent it to him and am waiting for a response.

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ive been following this young kid on youtube and he is pretty cool. he is from the UK, and sells burners (though u can make them yourself, or buy american). BURNERS — Alec Steele
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWi...mr43zfxlCktmNw
I have used a coal forge when i was a teen with my older brother. and it was a lot of fun, but getting coal forge to burn properly is a real pain in the ass. I say go with an old propane tank with both ends cut out, laid on its side, and a propane burner sticking through a hole. Some Kao-wool and refractory inside (or some fire bricks). and theres a forge.
i'd buy some hammers, tongs, anvil on CL. i've also seen people use a chunk of railroad track as an anvil to learn on.
This is who got him started on the idea thsat he needs a forge.
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Something like this can virtually be made for free with parts laying around. Start small to see if he sticks with it. As for an anvil, he better be saving his money. I bought my FIL a HF for his knife making hobby, and it works fine for him. Bigger than knifes and he'll need an upgrade.
No, he doesn't need weight training. He just needs to learn the best way to swing a heavy hammer that's easiest for his body type.
https://youtu.be/0GQl-oqFTnc
Good luck and have fun, blacksmithing is a very rewarding hobby.
I like the way you think. Start with the low cost basics, learn and work your way up.
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Old 12-10-2017, 11:00 AM   #15 (permalink)
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ive been following this young kid on youtube and he is pretty cool. he is from the UK, and sells burners (though u can make them yourself, or buy american). BURNERS — Alec Steele
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWi...mr43zfxlCktmNw
I have used a coal forge when i was a teen with my older brother. and it was a lot of fun, but getting coal forge to burn properly is a real pain in the ass. I say go with an old propane tank with both ends cut out, laid on its side, and a propane burner sticking through a hole. Some Kao-wool and refractory inside (or some fire bricks). and theres a forge.
i'd buy some hammers, tongs, anvil on CL. i've also seen people use a chunk of railroad track as an anvil to learn on.
I knew which you-tuber you were talking about before I even saw his name... I cannot stand watching his videos. They have some decent content, but his face just plain pisses me off! Anyone else that way?
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Something like this can virtually be made for free with parts laying around. Start small to see if he sticks with it. As for an anvil, he better be saving his money. I bought my FIL a HF for his knife making hobby, and it works fine for him. Bigger than knifes and he'll need an upgrade.
No, he doesn't need weight training. He just needs to learn the best way to swing a heavy hammer that's easiest for his body type.
https://youtu.be/0GQl-oqFTnc
Good luck and have fun, blacksmithing is a very rewarding hobby.
Is that a brake drum?
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Is that a brake drum?
Yep
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I knew which you-tuber you were talking about before I even saw his name... I cannot stand watching his videos. They have some decent content, but his face just plain pisses me off! Anyone else that way?
I been watching his million layer katana series and I agree good stuff but his antics take away from the show. But then again he is for a younger crowd I’d rather watch some old fart barely talking but demonstrating skills.
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With an excellent smith that close, yep lessons!
He will lead you in the right direction on equipment and tools.
I agree with the propane forge to start with. You may decide to stick with gas.
Join ABANA
Artist Blacksmiths Association of North America.
There are chapter all over the US. Join the closest one.
Go to "hammer in's"
You will wonder why your hobby is so heavy! Nothing light about blacksmithing!
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You'll have to have it turned every damn time you use it, throwing that kind of heat at it.
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Trent has a bunch of videos for beginners everything from forges to anvil shaped objects
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbj...3XB-3JY0OM3f5w
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Is he going to forge his own trap kit?
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from what ive seen, most smiths start with the basics. making nails first for a while.. taking a round bar stock, and learning how to square it, and taper it, then how to upset the head.
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Make a propane forge or a brake drum coal burner. I made a 2 burner that gets hot enough to forge weld for about 100 and most of that was the k23 bricks and the regulator.

Spend some dough on an anvil, hopefully you live in the rust belt cause the prices for them elsewhere are fucked. Don’t get a piece of shit harbor freight one. I bought mine brand new, 450lbs, not cheap but not a bad investment.

I’d just get a bunch of railroad spikes or horse shoes and he’ll start making shit and having fun.
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Trent has a bunch of videos for beginners everything from forges to anvil shaped objects
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbj...3XB-3JY0OM3f5w
Wow, great link, thanks so much.
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