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Old 03-13-2018, 04:38 PM   #26 (permalink)
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So, uhhh, does this mean that my Canadian steel will be cheaper for me (a Canadian) to buy, since we won't be selling as much to you guys?

Wait, I forgot, we're exempt. New question, does this mean that my Canadian steel will be more expensive for me to buy, because we will be selling more to the states?

I'm so cornfused.

It's business, they find a reason for raising prices, whether their actual costs raise or not.
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Serious question how quick do you think a steel mill can be built?
A would a guess between 5 to 10 years.
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Serious question how quick do you think a steel mill can be built?
how many do you think are already built and operating on a skeleton crew with the blast furnaces shut down and only running parts of the mill?

United States Steel Readies to Refire Idled Facilities at Granite City, Illinois, Plant - Area Development

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-ste...and-1520430223

I'm not saying that tariffs are a great idea, but we're not gonna run out of raw material, there are plenty of facilities tat have sat idle for the last few years, or have only been operated at a low capacity.


AK Steel literally tore down the mill by me and sold it for scrap 2 years ago.
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how many do you think are already built and operating on a skeleton crew with the blast furnaces shut down and only running parts of the mill?

United States Steel Readies to Refire Idled Facilities at Granite City, Illinois, Plant - Area Development

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-ste...and-1520430223

I'm not saying that tariffs are a great idea, but we're not gonna run out of raw material, there are plenty of facilities tat have sat idle for the last few years, or have only been operated at a low capacity.


AK Steel literally tore down the mill by me and sold it for scrap 2 years ago.

They just finished scraping the aluminum mill by me, it shut down about 10 years ago and really impacted the local economy. I think we have a lot of idle capacity, and more could be added to existing plants in a matter of months.
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What a joke, the Asian market won’t dare loose their share, they will pay the tariffs and offer goods at the same price, companies are using this like the price of oil rising a couple dollars.
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how many do you think are already built and operating on a skeleton crew with the blast furnaces shut down and only running parts of the mill?

United States Steel Readies to Refire Idled Facilities at Granite City, Illinois, Plant - Area Development

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-ste...and-1520430223

I'm not saying that tariffs are a great idea, but we're not gonna run out of raw material, there are plenty of facilities tat have sat idle for the last few years, or have only been operated at a low capacity.


AK Steel literally tore down the mill by me and sold it for scrap 2 years ago.
I counter with yea we may spool up some steel/aluminium production, but higher prices fuck other high margin manufacturing industries: https://mises.org/wire/manufacturing-jobs-are-overrated
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Anybody else think this is just a ploy? Standard Trump. It will ultimately settle as a meet in the middle deal. So offset "center" in your direction right off the bat by doing something outrageous. Then negotiate down. It's like dealing with craigslist tweaks. If I want 100 bucks, I list it for 200. Then negotiate down.

I'm guessing Nafta will be renegotiated will modest tariffs and this nonsense will go away.

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First off let me say I'm not just proud to use only USA and Canadian steel in our products, we have to. A long time ago we tried Chinese and India tubing, just flat out not happening. The chinese stuff welds terribly and the India tubing kinks in the bender.

My view is that these tariffs are far too late. Most steel mills have been shut down long ago and are either gone, or are beyond repair/ability to modernize to epa standards. 6.3 million Tons of steel is a huge amount of capacity make up. I think jumping all in 25% is going to cause a lot of shock to the industry. Stepping it up slowly would help control the increase in demand to help supply ramp up.

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So, uhhh, does this mean that my Canadian steel will be cheaper for me (a Canadian) to buy, since we won't be selling as much to you guys?

Wait, I forgot, we're exempt. New question, does this mean that my Canadian steel will be more expensive for me to buy, because we will be selling more to the states?

I'm so cornfused.
Canada is exempt so demand in the US for Canadian steel will increase, which will likely drive your price for Canadian made steel up. It might drive the price for foreign material that is for sale in Canada down slightly, but probably not much if any.

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I'm not saying that tariffs are a great idea, but we're not gonna run out of raw material, there are plenty of facilities tat have sat idle for the last few years, or have only been operated at a low capacity.


AK Steel literally tore down the mill by me and sold it for scrap 2 years ago.
It will be good for those mills that are slow, but in all I think we've lost to much capacity from big player mills that have been scrapped. US mills could have trouble keeping up with demand while holding quality. US steel prices will increase until the price and lack of availability make foreign material attractive to those buyers again.

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Here is a decent article that shows the issues facing some US manufactures.

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Good read. We do have a couple of US tube rolling houses we won't allow material from as it's just junk. Dirty as a swamp and doesn't weld for crap.
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What is chances, this will cause the domestic steel production to come back. Instead of selling our scrape to different countries, keep it here and be self sufficient again.
Low to moderate. Too much labor to make it $$$ payoff.

Talk about putting a nail in the shoe of mfg....
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So, uhhh, does this mean that my Canadian steel will be cheaper for me (a Canadian) to buy, since we won't be selling as much to you guys?

Wait, I forgot, we're exempt. New question, does this mean that my Canadian steel will be more expensive for me to buy, because we will be selling more to the states?

I'm so cornfused.
Dion't worry, now that there's an excuse, the price WILL rise.

I'm giving myself a raise.
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Get these bs letters every year from all sorts of suppliers. You never see price decrease letters , i dont get to send price increases when im already under contract. Honor your shit

Same as my car insurance going up over the past few years, despite the provider or how clean your driving record is. Excuse is obamacare. Im sure we will see the full price decrease the next time shit crashes right
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See letter attached in picture. I still think it is a good deal to put Americans back to work.
I remember the fuel surcharge shit added when I worked in Denver. When the high fuel prices dropped, the surcharges stayed.
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It is what it is. I think this is one of the best things to happen for a while as far as material goes. It used to be American steel and japanese steel Then we were hoping it said canadian instead of mexican or chinese. You ever see what a mexican leaf spring does under a fire engine?


I want to see American and japanese steel again.
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We received a couple of these letters yesterday also. Then I had to jump through hoops to get my normal order of a skid of sheet metal.
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We received a couple of these letters yesterday also. Then I had to jump through hoops to get my normal order of a skid of sheet metal.
Industry i am in, they are searching hard to secure steel/aluminum sources. There is going to be a shortage very soon. All these companies are going to be sucking the life out of mexican and Canadian steel suppliers. They are going to up the price because of supply and demand. But another thing trump did that was smart, is that they have only a couple years to try and satisfy us before they are cut off Hopefully that looming will help.


I guess the day it was confirmed we had at least one factory that was going to open back up, and a large number of new hires coming to another.


I think one reason this was only heavily in the news the first day, was because there is probably an overwhelming response to this issue in the way of extra factories and workers in the industry ready to accept the challenge.
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C2C is a shitty no name company.

Worry when Nucor and Metal sales hike their price up.
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So far our aluminum supplier has raised their price by 12%.
That's higher than it should be but nothing happens in America without some opportunistic asshats finding a way to rape the consumer. Shit, if one refinery loses a fucking parking space the price of oil goes up all over the country.
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Direct effect of tariffs or convenient excuse to raise prices?
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I wonder how this will affect this will have on the scrap metal pricing.
It's up to 120$/ ton locally. Little yard is a barren wasteland as of 2 days ago. They've been sitting on shit for quite some time.
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Get these bs letters every year from all sorts of suppliers. You never see price decrease letters , i dont get to send price increases when im already under contract. Honor your shit

Same as my car insurance going up over the past few years, despite the provider or how clean your driving record is. Excuse is obamacare. Im sure we will see the full price decrease the next time shit crashes right
Remember back when oil was $100, Tire XYZ was $180? It was because oil was so high. War in Iraq, blah blah blah. What's oil now... $60? And Tire XYZ is $265.
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Remember back when oil was $100, Tire XYZ was $180? It was because oil was so high. War in Iraq, blah blah blah. What's oil now... $60? And Tire XYZ is $265.
How do the XYZ tires work on a Cherokee with a 3" body lift? Will I be able to hit mad mud holes with them?
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Remember back when oil was $100, Tire XYZ was $180? It was because oil was so high. War in Iraq, blah blah blah. What's oil now... $60? And Tire XYZ is $265.
2002 gallon of rotella 15w-40 was 3.99? a 39.5x18-16.5 Bogger was $327, barrel of oil was what $30?

Now rotella 15w40 is 14.99? 39.5 bogger is $560 and barrel of oil is $60

When oil shot up in mid 2000's oil and antifreeze etc went up to today's prices with it, its never dropped even thru 2009-2013.....of course capitalism.

As a GC when i get the price increase letters in the mail $1 cy or lately 4-10 CY from concrete suppliers i roll my fucking eyes, because later said company sends a couple salesman to the office to waste my time and take me out to lunch or dinner. I tell them to give me a fucking discount instead. I dont have the fucking time to waste on listening to you tell me how your worthless service and shitty product is better than the other guys who have worthless service and just as shitty of a product.
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What is chances, this will cause the domestic steel production to come back. Instead of selling our scrape to different countries, keep it here and be self sufficient again.

It the long run would it be better, for the country?
The chance is pretty much zero. Best thing that can come of the tarriffs is to maintain the stuff that is left.
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C2C is a shitty no name company.

Worry when Nucor and Metal sales hike their price up.
Just bought a few bundles, price increase of 50$ a ton.
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I'm in estimating at a large construction company. I'm getting notices daily that companies will not be able to hold pricing for more than a week or so. Only the shitty companies are increasing prices right now. The rest of them are just taking a wait-and-see approach.
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