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Old 03-13-2018, 02:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Russia has summoned the UK’s ambassador to Moscow to protest against accusations that it ordered last week’s nerve agent attack in Salisbury and to warn that any British sanctions against Russia would be answered in kind.

Among other measures, Moscow is ready to ban all British media outlets if London revokes the state-funded Russia Today’s right to broadcast in Britain, a spokeswoman for the Russian foreign ministry said on national television on Tuesday evening.

“Not a single British media outlet will work in our country if they close Russia Today,” Maria Zakharova said.

A foreign ministry statement said it had summoned Laurie Bristow, the British ambassador, to also declare that Russia would not comply with Theresa May’s demand that it explain its role until the Russian government had been given samples of the nerve agent that left Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia, critically ill.
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“Without this, any statements by London are senseless,” the ministry said in the statement given to journalists.

May said in parliament on Monday that the UK would consider punitive measures if Russia did not meet a deadline of the end of Tuesday to explain itself. Possibilities include revoking the broadcast licence of the Russian state-funded broadcaster RT, expulsions of diplomats, or greater scrutiny of Russian investments in the UK.

The Russian foreign ministry said: “Any threats to adopt ‘sanctions’ toward the Russian Federation would not remain without a response.”

With Britain and Russia at an impasse, it is likely the next steps will involve tit-for-tat reprisals between the two countries.

Russia’s foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, said during a televised press conference earlier that Russia was not responsible for the poisoning and demanded that Britain seek to mediate the case under the chemical weapons convention.

“We have already made our statement on this case,” he said. “Russia is ready to cooperate in accordance with the convention to ban chemical weapons if the United Kingdom will deign to fulfil its obligations according to the same convention.”

In his remarks, Lavrov said that under the convention, Russia would have 10 days to reply to an official accusation by the UK over the use of a banned substance within its borders.

His response reflected the broadly dismissive tone adopted by the Russian establishment on Tuesday.

“We have an enormous government here in Russia, it’s a global country, we have a mass of problems both internal and external,” Andrei Klimov, the deputy head of the Russian federation council’s foreign affairs committee, told the Guardian by telephone. “This entire story about your internal score-settlings and scandals doesn’t interest me.”

A representative of the British embassy in Moscow said Bristow would visit the Russian foreign ministry on Tuesday for talks with Vladimir Titov, the first deputy minister for foreign affairs.

May told parliament on Monday it was “highly likely that Russia was responsible for the act against Sergei and Yulia Skripal”. She named the poison used as novichok, a Soviet-era nerve agent.
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Russian officials remain defiant towards the UK, at least in public, accusing Britain of succumbing to its own “Russophobia” and saying they could handle the situation however May decides to respond.

Asked whether he and colleagues would be watching when May spoke after the deadline, Klimov said: “God, no. I’m going to find out from journalists like you.”

Zakharova called May’s remarks on Monday “a circus show”. Vladimir Putin, asked by the BBC whether Russia was behind the Skripal poisoning, said: “Get to the bottom of things there first, then we’ll talk about this.”
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The breakdown of relations with the UK comes at a sensitive time for Russia politically, with Putin set to be re-elected for a fourth term on Sunday. He is scheduled to address supporters on Wednesday in Crimea, the peninsula whose annexation from Ukraine in 2014 set off a chill in relations between Russia and the west.

Since then, Putin has survived several international scandals, including the downing of the MH17 plane over east Ukraine and accusations of meddling in the 2016 US presidential elections.

In some cases, the growing conflict with the west and a siege mentality at home appear to have boosted his ratings.

The Russian senator Konstantin Kosachev wrote on Tuesday that the west has regularly condemned Russia without its input. He said: “We’ve made a decision here, investigated it ourselves, delivered our own verdict and sentence. And Russia should defend itself without any evidence or participation in the process.”

No one has suggested that Russia is gathering evidence to help British investigators. Klimov argued that Russia had no motive to attack Skripal and suggested other former Soviet countries could be behind the attack.

In denying the allegations, he also issued a warning, saying: “I would just like to tell Russians who hope to hide in Great Britain from ‘bad Russians’ one thing: it’s going to be very unsafe for you. It’s long since become a place where bad things happen. This isn’t Moscow’s fault, something is happening over there.”
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Fuck I hate nerve agent. I won't purposely work with it or around it. Novichok agents is some nasty bad horrible shit. If they used it, damn lucky they didn't kill 1,000s of people easily if true. I have never been worried about nuke devices in the US. Nerve or bio, Chemical warfare material is what keeps me awake because if you have the skillz, you can do some significant damage to many cities.

If you want a education, just look up deadliest poisons and see how they are militarized and designed to defeat your level of protection. The minuscule amount it takes to kill is incredible.
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agree, considering that the US has a policy that if you use nukes on us, we will use them back, but if you use nerve agent on us, we won't respond in kind puts some perspective to just how nasty they can get
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Sergei Skripal and his daughter were poisoned by powdered metal. Thallium dust.
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Sergei Skripal and his daughter were poisoned by powdered metal. Thallium dust.
it will be interesting to see what all comes out in the wash down the line as this progresses. today was the first i've heard the nerve agent angle, so i'm not sure what has changed
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Whatever happened to using a good old fashioned lead sleeping pill? Trying to be cool like the norks? Fuking kids these days can’t even carry out a proper assasination.
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Since their Hillary investment didn't pay off, her punishment is to die slowly.
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This is a *very* transparent gov/media snow job.

It's laughable.
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KGB plays for keeps.
They kill people silently, like every other government does.

This is a very weak setup.
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This is a *very* transparent gov/media snow job.

It's laughable.
huh?

What, you think they just got bad cocaine?
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why would I care about some double agent dickhead?
you play with fire you get burned.

go ahead UK attack Russia.
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go ahead UK attack Russia.
that is the thing that i don't really get. what is the goal here? what are they trying to distract from and cover with this?
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why would I care about some double agent dickhead?
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that is the thing that i don't really get. what is the goal here? what are they trying to distract from and cover with this?


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We have a tradition in Britain that any town with a cathedral becomes a city. Salisbury won that title nearly 800 years ago, thanks to the magnificent cathedral that still dominates its streets.

So you can imagine Britain’s sense of revulsion — indeed of violation — over the fact that a tranquil medieval city has witnessed the first offensive use of a nerve agent in Europe since World War II.

As I write, the principal target, Sergei Skripal, and his daughter, Yulia, are both in critical condition. A police officer who went to their aid is also in the hospital. About three dozen others required medical treatment simply because they were nearby when the substance was released.

It was only down to chance that more people are not lying stricken today; the perpetrators clearly did not care how many innocents were endangered. What sticks in my mind is the cavalier indifference — and sheer brazenness — of this attack.

Our experts have identified the weapon used in Salisbury on March 4 as a fourth-generation nerve agent known as Novichok, designed to play havoc with the central nervous system and inflict a lingering death.

Russian scientists developed Novichok starting in the 1970s. Today, only Russia combines a record of state-sponsored assassinations with a publicly avowed motive for trying to kill Sergei Skripal and stockpiles of Novichok agents.

On Monday, I summoned the Russian ambassador and gave his government 36 hours to inform us if any of these stocks had somehow gone missing.

I regret to say that the deadline passed without a response from the Kremlin. The British government has drawn the only plausible conclusion: that the Russian state attempted murder in a British city, employing a lethal nerve agent banned under the Chemical Weapons Convention.

On Wednesday, Theresa May, the prime minister, announced the biggest expulsion of Russian diplomats from Britain for more than 30 years, evicting 23 undeclared intelligence officers. The government will now take a range of measures to protect Britain from hostile states and dismantle the Russian espionage network in our country.

But this matter goes far beyond a bilateral dispute. If the Russian state is prepared to deploy a banned weapon in a British city — amounting to the unlawful use of force against the United Kingdom — then the Kremlin is clearly willing to act without restraint. The bleak truth is that what happened in Salisbury could have happened anywhere.


I interpret this incident as part of a pattern of reckless behavior by President Vladimir Putin. The common thread that joins the poisonings in Salisbury with the annexation of Crimea, the cyberattacks in Ukraine, the hacking of Germany’s Parliament and Russian interference in foreign elections is the Kremlin’s reckless defiance of essential international rules.

Most tellingly of all, Russia has made immense efforts to conceal the use of chemical weapons by the Assad regime in Syria. In October, an international investigation concluded that Bashar al-Assad’s forces had used the nerve agent sarin against the town of Khan Sheikhoun in April 2017.

Yet instead of condemning Assad, Russia covered up for him by vetoing the renewal of the international inquiry and, in effect, forcing it to shut down.

How much easier does it become for a state to deploy chemical weapons when its government has already tolerated and sought to hide their use by others? I would draw a connection between Putin’s indulgence of Assad’s atrocities in Syria and the Russian state’s evident willingness to employ a chemical weapon on British soil.


There is a reason for choosing Novichok. In its blatant Russian-ness, the nerve agent sends a signal to all who may be thinking of dissent in the intensifying repression of Putin’s Russia. The message is clear: We will find you, we will catch you, we will kill you — and though we will deny it with lip-curling scorn, the world will know beyond doubt that Russia did it.

As a permanent member of the U.N. Security Council, Russia has a special obligation to uphold the rules of good international conduct. When it does the opposite and tramples upon these rules, the Kremlin threatens the very architecture of global security.

All responsible nations share an obligation to take a principled stance against this behavior. The countermeasures announced by the prime minister are not solely about the attack in Salisbury. Britain is striving to uphold the rules on which the safety of every country depends. I hope and believe that our friends will stand alongside us.
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that is the thing, if this is verified, legitimate nerve agent used by a foreign nation against a sovereign nation this is a big fucking deal.

why or how is it not more prevalent in the media compared to ToysRus closing or some kids skipping school
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that is the thing, if this is verified, legitimate nerve agent used by a foreign nation against a sovereign nation this is a big fucking deal.

why or how is it not more prevalent in the media compared to ToysRus closing or some kids skipping school
I don't understand it either. If they did use it, it is serious, very serious. If it was a gun or a bomb, they would be all over it like stink on shit. The ignorant has no clue what has happened, if true and just how deadly it is. No fucking clue.

VX is nothing compared to what was supposedly used. As an example using VX, the exposure required to kill half of a tested population—as estimated for 70 kg human males via exposure to the skin is reported to be 10 mg (0.00035 oz).
As a chemical weapon, it is categorized as a weapon of mass destruction and is banned by the Chemical Weapons Convention of 1993, where production and stockpiling of VX exceeding 100 grams (3.53 oz) per year is outlawed.

In Toole, UT, we had enough VX stored there to kill everyone on earth 7Xs. That was just one storage depot.
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that is the thing, if this is verified, legitimate nerve agent used by a foreign nation against a sovereign nation this is a big fucking deal.

why or how is it not more prevalent in the media compared to ToysRus closing or some kids skipping school
Nerve agents are classified as a "weapon of mass destruction".
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Maybe Trump will have the Marine Core use Spaceforce to attack Russia.

Scary times.
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Were just used to the last 8 years of democratic politics where one disaster is used to cover up another one.

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I see what you did there.
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In Toole, UT, we had enough VX stored there to kill everyone on earth 7Xs. That was just one storage depot.
How the hell do you contain that shit? Must be some manly o-rings and seals.
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How the hell do you contain that shit? Must be some manly o-rings and seals.
Ziplock bags.
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How the hell do you contain that shit? Must be some manly o-rings and seals.
I don't know if I still trust it. This is a big seal with multiple o rings and it still looks like it would leak
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put it this way..if a poison that can be linked directly to moscow was used...then it wasnt moscow that used it.

the Russians are smart folks, the story is very not smart
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