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Old 03-22-2018, 06:29 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Iím watching the news right now, a bunch of have shut down the freeway
Shutting down I5 during the beginning of the evening commute is not going to win them much sympathy
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Old 03-22-2018, 06:33 PM   #77 (permalink)
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Shutting down I5 during the beginning of the evening commute is not going to win them much sympathy
These aren’t even strong willed ones. The cops threatened to start arresting and they’re scattering like cockroaches. Guess they don’t care about buckwheat all that much


Edit; we have a couple still hanging in there, doing the “hands up, don’t shoot” bullshit. And some are now jumping on cop cars, stomping the hoods.
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If only the pilot would have hovered on target instead of a left hand circle like he was flying a fucking Predator....
They orbit to prevent becoming an easy target themselves and also to limit the heat build-up and strain on the Helo
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Old 03-22-2018, 07:41 PM   #79 (permalink)
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BLM protestors now blocking people from getting into Kings game that starts in twenty minutes (1900hrs)

Talking heads keep asking ďwhatís their plan?Ē

I know what their plan is... wait until sunset then start rioting/burning/looting
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Nothing better then a good old fashioned " CHIMP OUT ! " entertainment value alone is worth the price of admission.

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Spoiling a Kings game
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No shit, the kings do that on their own
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No shit, the kings do that on their own
Right?
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Old 03-22-2018, 08:58 PM   #84 (permalink)
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If only the pilot would have hovered on target instead of a left hand circle like he was flying a fucking Predator....
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They orbit to prevent becoming an easy target themselves and also to limit the heat build-up and strain on the Helo
They orbit because it uses less fuel, and that shitty police helicopter probably doesn't have enough power to hover anyways.

Plus it is safer if you lose an engine. (the only one in that case)
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That helicam technology is awesome. Even the helicam footage was shortened. They claim they have him on camera breaking a back door to a neighborís house.
It's insane how it can overlay all the street names and house numbers while it's moving around.
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It's insane how it can overlay all the street names and house numbers while it's moving around.
I know a couple people involved with the local LEO aircrews. I know they navigate by landmarks mostly, I need to ask how they get exact addresses
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Iím watching the news right now, a bunch of have shut down the freeway

I havenít been lucky enough to have something like this happen semi locally (30 minutes away). I kind of want to go watch random people trying to get home, instantly become racist because a bunch of wanna punish them for a piece of shit criminal being shot.
I do carry and it is for a last resort.

I also have 2 packs of fire crackers and a lighter in the console to see if that can get things moving. If that doesn't work, roman candles come out of the tool box...
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You try shooting an unarmed person (claiming self defense) and see how that goes for you. Cops do it routinely and get away with it more often than not.
I honestly don't think a homeowner would be charged, much less convicted, if he walked out to see a person jumping his fence in the dark of the night, then the person approached him with something in his hand.

Did you reasonably believe you were in imminate danger of being killed or receiving great injury? I think in the situation, that would be pretty much covered.
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Exactly.

Police came towards him, and he ran.

If you're not guilty of anything, then just wait to be talked to, its not that hard.

This still makes me laugh and needs to be updated HOW TO NOT GET SHOT BY THE POLICE.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8



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. . . why do cops get to shoot first?
New rule, you don't fire unless fired upon.
Sooooo . . . . police can only shoot back after they have been shot?

Here's a better idea: Don't run from the police. And if you do run . . . its all on you.

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They made up and use the chant

But when they should be doing it, idiots can't to save their own lives!

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I honestly don't think a homeowner would be charged, much less convicted, if he walked out to see a person jumping his fence in the dark of the night, then the person approached him with something in his hand.

Did you reasonably believe you were in imminate danger of being killed or receiving great injury? I think in the situation, that would be pretty much covered.
I wouldn't be waiting to see if they were armed. You can bet by the time the cops showed up, they would be armed with something even if was nothing more than a shovel I had left in the yard.
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Exactly.

Police came towards him, and he ran.

If you're not guilty of anything, then just wait to be talked to, its not that hard.
Bring back the phrase "Stop or I'll shoot!"

When they look back and see one of the cops putting their fingers in their ears...they'll stop.
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so go out in public, shoot someone and then claim that you thought their cellphone was a gun. Tell me how it works out for you.
It was self defense after all, you feared for your life.

Now tell me if the homeowner came out to this person in his dark backyard and approached him with something in his had?
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Now tell me if the homeowner came out to this person in his dark backyard and approached him with something in his had?
in Ohio you'd go to jail.

castle law only protects you inside the home or inside your vehicle.

We have no duty to retreat, but if you go out there looking for it, then you're probably going to catch charges.


regardless none of this argument is even relevant, because police must be upheld to a higher standard that your average citizen. I hear all the time that they can do things because they have extensive training. Like drive down the road while typing on a laptop or on their cellphone and radios, all things that would get me a ticket.
If they have such extensive training that they can ignore the laws that apply to you and I, then why can we not hold them to a higher standard when it comes to shooting people?
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You have to remember that LEO's are the State, and the State cannot execute a civilian without "due process", requiring LEO's to be fired upon first before would be a form of street level due process.
LEOs are civilians, not the state. They may be employees of the state, but I assume you think that a DMV employee has no right to self defense while on the clock.
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in Ohio you'd go to jail.

castle law only protects you inside the home or inside your vehicle.

We have no duty to retreat, but if you go out there looking for it, then you're probably going to catch charges.


regardless none of this argument is even relevant, because police must be upheld to a higher standard that your average citizen. I hear all the time that they can do things because they have extensive training. Like drive down the road while typing on a laptop or on their cellphone and radios, all things that would get me a ticket.
If they have such extensive training that they can ignore the laws that apply to you and I, then why can we not hold them to a higher standard when it comes to shooting people?

This happened in CA.
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and I don't know the california laws specifically so I can't talk about them.

but if that's your only argument to refute the point....
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If only the pilot would have hovered on target instead of a left hand circle like he was flying a fucking Predator....
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The only thing I could think was that he was looking to see if there was someone else on the other side of the house. Seemed very odd though.

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They orbit to prevent becoming an easy target themselves and also to limit the heat build-up and strain on the Helo
They fly in circles to keep forward momentum in case of engine failures. If the engine fails during hovering, you have a lot less time to auto rotate and land safely than if you are flying forward. This is why you never see the dirty birds hovering over scenes.
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This happened in CA.
Would like to see a "chimp out" in our county!

Would be the shortest lived one that is for sure LOL
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and I don't know the california laws specifically so I can't talk about them.

but if that's your only argument to refute the point....
You can use force necessary to stop a perceived grave threat. If that it later shown that there was no weapon, it is based on what you perceived at the time. Going armed into your yard at night to check on a noise is not the same as chasing someone down the street.

From what I've seen so far, I think this is a legitimate self defense shooting. More could come out that changes my opinion or reinforces my opinion, but that is what I see right now.
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