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Old 06-28-2018, 08:42 PM   #101 (permalink)
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Old 06-28-2018, 08:43 PM   #102 (permalink)
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Bucky you are emotional and not making any sense. You got a lot of shit wrong. You added more BS to this thread. I was illustrating to Gary why a union employee would want more $$ than the cheap ass that didn't want to pay into the fight to get his fair salary. You missed the entire boat. Again. The last time We had a union discussion was about 7 years ago and you didn't even know what prevailing wage was. So, speaking to you directly, I applaud the Courts decision. Where did I ever say I did not ?

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I actually remember how badly you lost that debate. Your recollection is apparently as bad as your ability to express your opinion clearly.
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Old 06-28-2018, 08:47 PM   #103 (permalink)
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Anyone here that says that if they were in a union, and they feel a scab that didn't pay union dues should get the same salary and benefits as the guy who did pay dues is a fucking liar and hypocrite. Don't be a tool or a dick
Anyone here that's also in a union, is just a little retarded in addition to being an asshole. It's called diversity.
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Old 06-28-2018, 08:48 PM   #104 (permalink)
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Sounds like a lot of unions are pretty fucked and dont make a lot of sense. In ca at least the labor unions seem to be pretty good and most negative arguments do not apply.


With that being said I wonder if or how this new ruling may effect me. I am not in a government sector job but we do work on government/ federally funded projects which are required to be done with union labor. Every once in a while union labor isnt available and they will allow a non union company to come In so long as they pay prevailing wage. The unions will oversee this and make sure they recieve the total union package on thier check. Most of the time these are $25/hr employees being paid $75 all of the sudden. If the union is going to over see thier $50 pay increase I have no problem with them wanting a few $ of it.
Nope, Uncle Sugar requires that the contractors pay prevailing wages whether they are union or not doesnt matter. The union doesnt have shit to do with it, the govt verifies the wages (I do this on every project) paid to the employee by the contractor.
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Old 06-29-2018, 03:39 AM   #105 (permalink)
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Anyone here that's also in a union, is just a little retarded in addition to being an asshole. It's called diversity.
That's pretty much true for the unions haters who believe all the stories without personal experience in the matter...it's called ignorance
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What I want to see is a non union guy negotiate himself a better package than the union.


In the last 6 years my pay has just about doubled solely due to my skills and work ethic. I don't need a union to fight for me when I work for a company that recognizes my value and compensates me for it.
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In the last 6 years my pay has just about doubled solely due to my skills and work ethic. I don't need a union to fight for me when I work for a company that recognizes my value and compensates me for it.
What do you do for a living? Most unions are self serving and a are of no real benefit to the individual employee...However, some unions provide a trained workforce and set performance standards...
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What I want to see is a non union guy negotiate himself a better package than the union.

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well our union just bought a three year contract with less than 1% raise per year. I'm pretty sure I could have got a better deal. but I m in a right to work state, if they push much more of this socialist shit I will take my union dues and invest it in hookers and blow.
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87manche, The situation you described is absolutely wrong, basically taxation without representation, but I don't think that's the exact same thing that was happening in this SCOTUS case. Janus opted out but was still forced to pay agency fees. In your case you're saying these people aren't even able to opt out? and they are paying fees but not able to vote or be represented? That's much worse than this case and they should sue!
wtf do you thinks "agency fees" are?

They are administration fees collected from non union members.

I swear reading comprehension is fucking dead around here.
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What do you do for a living? Most unions are self serving and a are of no real benefit to the individual employee...However, some unions provide a trained workforce and set performance standards...

If it has to do with the farm I do it. Driving truck is my main responsibility but there isnt anything I can't or won't do and I'm compensated fairly for it. In the next year I'll likely bump another 15% and spend less time in the truck as I transition towards more office time.
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union dues working for you:

business manager sentenced for embezzlement

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wtf do you thinks "agency fees" are?

They are administration fees collected from non union members.

I swear reading comprehension is fucking dead around here.
I'm saying there is a difference in the Janus case, and my personal situation and the example that you gave.

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again, you're assuming that everyone benefits.

Let me lay out one example.

the local school district forces non-union employees to pay the union, because the union is the one that keeps the payroll.

They get no bargaining rights, no union protections, and no say in what the union does with their money.
If you add up how many non union emplyees there are they are collecting well above what the salary for the admiistration is. Where does the extra money go?
Right back into the union coffers.

So explain to me what benefit these non union employees get from the union? Someone to do payroll? That shit's already done by the school administration.

that's the ruling here. I suggest you go back and re read the case. This isn't about letting people decide whether they want to be in the union or not, it's about whether the union can force non union employees that derive no benefit from the union to pay union administration fees.
For Janus, and me, we are told we need to join the union,with full representation, but are given an option to opt out. When we opt out we are/were required to pay equivalent "fair share", in some cases going to charity. In your example the people forced to pay the fees have no opportunity for representation, even if they wanted it, which is totally wrong.

I did read the ruling again, and it covers your example, but that wasn't the case for Janus. He had the option to be represented, he just didn't want to be.
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Old 06-29-2018, 04:31 PM   #113 (permalink)
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Nope, Uncle Sugar requires that the contractors pay prevailing wages whether they are union or not doesnt matter. The union doesnt have shit to do with it, the govt verifies the wages (I do this on every project) paid to the employee by the contractor.
Do you check the subcontractors ? - thanks - giz
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Do you check the subcontractors ? - thanks - giz
Yup! Technically if you're not an approved sub I can kick you off the jobsite. I have to do interview for those guys too and they also have to submit certified payrolls to us.
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All political contributions are voluntary and nonmembers are sworn in after 90 days. No choice in the matter, pay your dues to get your benefits. All or none.
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I haven't read the details, but from what I get, I'm good with the ruling, I'm pretty much against public sector unions. I'm also a private sector union member, it's the lesser of two evils, and just got appointed the unit griever if you want something done right, you've got to do it yourself
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Old 06-29-2018, 09:39 PM   #117 (permalink)
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union dues working for you:

business manager sentenced for embezzlement

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Years ago (about 30) the local Stevedoring Union flew the local president via helicopter to my dealership to buy his wife a truck to pull the race horse trailer. Had a few race horses that raced at Longacres near Seattle.
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I just LOVE living in a Right-To-Work state.

I've been a Union Steward, and I've worked as non-Union, both. I've even filed and won grievance more than once. Firmly convinced that Unions have run their course. There's very little left to fight about having had everything they once stood for codified into law.

These days, they generally run interference for the incompetent and lazy, helping run lawsuits against a company that SHOULD have had the right to fire them. But that's just my outlook.

The pendulum swings. Decades ago, the Union was the only chance a working man had. Today, they're a bloated and worthless corporation, little different from any other management.

With more and more foreigners, offshore investing, and immigrants, the working man will suffer enough that he'll need Unions and want them, again. Every working man.

But for now, nah...

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I got out of the engineers ( not operating engineers) union several years ago. One person is too insignificant to go to arbitration over. So they let me go. I gave a religious reason. They didn't want to waste time to squash me. So I got out. Now, all can leave if they so desire. This will cripple most public sector unions in CA in my opinion. Fiance left immediatley. I dont know about my drill crews. They are out of town working and I haven't heard much. we got our obligatory up the ass protocol for Supervisors Memo this Am and are instructed to not discuss it with rank and file. Typical chicken shit bureaucracy army ants managing a new kicked over ant hill. See how they run . . .. .

{gary} you retarded old sock cock in mouth, hate to use your own words but your reading comprehension sucks, as well as you.
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What I want to see is a non union guy negotiate himself a better package than the union.

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DONE

one week more vacation (union morons only get 2, I get 3)
I pay 40% lower rates for my heath care package (negotiated getting the same package as upper management gets)
Sign on bonus of $5000 that I got after my 90th day
Company credit card (used for travel, etc..)

Unions are for stupid people with no real education and no value of self worth. People who can't think for themselves, and lack the mental capacity to negotiate for themselves.
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DONE
Unions are for stupid people with no real education and no value of self worth. People who can't think for themselves, and lack the mental capacity to negotiate for themselves.
Uh, not so fast flame boy. Upon reflection most of that is correct. More aggressive extroverted types with real world experience and education succeed in private enterprise whereas in public sector these attributes are barely recognized. Mousey introverted nerds hang on and leech at the State, they would never survive in the open ocean of private work. I could talk over just why, exactly why licensed engineers would need a union . .. . There is none yet there they are.
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