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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is less hideously unattractive than the usual Democrat potentate or potentatette and has therefore been anointed the new face of her pathetic party. This dumb woman, who looks like Huma Abedin without the pedohubby and the weird relationship with Felonia Milhous von Pantsuit, took advantage of her even dumber New York district in order to get elected to Congress by calling herself a “socialist.” Yeah, the subject of a thousand Trader Joe’s house brand chardonnay toasts is a proud adherent of the ideology that butchered 100 million people in the last century.

Considering how much mainstream liberals hate us Normal Americans for militantly defending our rights, it’s no surprise that they are looking to their leftist ancestors for some helpful hints about how to deal with us uppity, kulak-y obstacles to their rightful and permanent domination of society.

Totally unrelated: I know I’m super excited about the idea of giving up our guns right about now. How about you?

Ocasio-Cortez is an idiot, like all adolescent socialists, so she qualified to be the Great Pinko Hope for a party in decline. Here’s how bad she is – she apparently went to college, got a degree in economics, and still ended up a socialist. If she went to med school, she would have probably left a chain smoker.

Read the whole thing here: https://townhall.com/columnists/kurt...e-you-n2498419
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I haven't loled at an article for a while. That is some funny stuff!
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the truth makes you obstinate, doesnt it?
Nah, I'll chuckle at a Dennis Miller, etc., that's put some mental muscle into their shtick. That however, was just plain moronic dribble, right down to the assumption that there's no socialist economists.

There are alternatives to the Wall St. Journal.

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, right down to the assumption that there's no socialist economists.

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The assumption is that if you understand economics or have a proper education thereof, you would be stupid to then be a socialist, since socialism destroys economies.


his "leave medical school as a chain smoker" line was especially apt.
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The assumption is that if you understand economics or have a proper education thereof, you would be stupid to then be a socialist, since socialism destroys economies.
That, my friend, is an opinion, and not a fact.

Norway and Sweden seem to be doing fine.

Denmark has its issues, bu is doing as well as the U.S.

Iceland, which gave the to the world economies in the latest meltdown is kicking ass.

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That, my friend, is an opinion, and not a fact.

Norway and Sweden seem to be doing fine.

Denmark has its issues, bu is doing as well as the U.S.

Iceland, which gave the to the world economies in the latest meltdown is kicking ass.

Broaden your horizons, chief, beyond FOX news coverage.
speaking of broadening horizons...


https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffrey.../#67ebc9ee74ad



As the American left embraces a platform that continues to look more and more like a socialist’s dream, it is common for those on the right to counter with the example of Venezuela as the nightmare of socialism in reality. A common response from the left is that socialism (or democratic socialism) works just fine in Sweden, Norway, and Denmark. It is certainly true that Sweden, Norway, Finland, and Denmark are notable economic successes. What is false is that these countries are particularly socialist.

The myth of Nordic socialism is partially created by a confusion between socialism, meaning government exerting control or ownership of businesses, and the welfare state in the form of government-provided social safety net programs. However, the left’s embrace of socialism is not merely a case of redefining a word. Simply look at the long-running affinity of leftists with socialist dictators in Cuba, Nicaragua, and Venezuela for proof many on the left long for real socialism.

To the extent that the left wants to point to an example of successful socialism, not just generous welfare states, the Nordic countries are actually a poor case to cite. Regardless of the perception, in reality the Nordic countries practice mostly free market economics paired with high taxes exchanged for generous government entitlement programs.



First, it is worth noting that the Nordic counties were economic successes before they built their welfare states. Those productive economies, generating good incomes for their workers, allowed the governments to raise the tax revenue needed to pay for the social benefits. It was not the government benefits that created wealth, but wealth that allowed the luxury of such generous government programs.

Second, as evidence of the lack of government interference in business affairs, there is the fact that none of these countries have minimum wage laws. Unions are reasonably powerful in many industries and negotiate contracts, but the government does nothing to ensure any particular outcome from those negotiations. Workers are paid what they are worth, not based on government’s perception of what is fair.


A third example of Nordic commitment to free markets can be found in Sweden which has complete school choice. The government provides families with vouchers for each child. These vouchers can be used to attend regular public schools, government-run charter schools, or private, for-profit schools. Clearly, the use of government funds to pay for private, for-profit schools is the opposite of socialism.

We can also confirm these isolated facts by looking at a comprehensive measure of capitalism relative to socialism. The Fraser Institute, a Vancouver-based, pro-free market, think tank, compiles a worldwide ranking of countries called the economic freedom index. Its website explains that its ranking “is an effort to identify how closely the institutions and policies of a country correspond with a limited government ideal, where the government protects property rights and arranges for the provision of a limited set of “public goods” such as national defense and access to money of sound value, but little beyond these core functions.” Clearly, a socialist country should perform poorly in any ranking based on these principles.

What we find, however, is the Nordic countries rank quite high on this index of economic freedom. In fact, while Hong Kong and Singapore top the list and the U.S. ranks 12th, we can find the Nordic countries in quite respectable rankings. Denmark ranks 15, Finland 17, Norway 25, and Sweden 27. In terms of numerical scores, Sweden is only 5% lower than the U.S. For further comparison, South Korea and Japan, both considered fairly pro-free market, rank 32 and 39, respectively.

Socialism can take the form of government controlling or interfering with free markets, nationalizing industries, and subsidizing favored ones (green energy, anyone?). The Nordic countries don’t actually do much of those things. Yes, they offer government-paid healthcare, in some cases tuition-free university educations, and rather generous social safety nets, all financed with high taxes. However, it is possible to do these things without interfering in the private sector more than required. It is allowing businesses to be productive that produces the high corporate and personal incomes that support the tax collections making the government benefits feasible. The Nordic countries are smart enough not to kill the goose that lays the golden egg.

If the left insists on naming a system of generous government benefits combined with a free market democratic socialism, I cannot stop them. That seems unnecessarily confusing since the government is actually running no industries other than education (and meddling somewhat in healthcare). It certainly isn’t socialism. In fact, the only reason most such countries can afford those benefits is that their market economies are so productive they can cover the expense of the government’s generosity. Perhaps a better name for what the Nordic countries practice would be compassionate capitalism.




Jeffrey Dorfman is a professor of economics at The University of Georgia. His last popular press book is an e-book, Ending the Era of the Free Lunch. You can follow him on Twitter @dorfmanJeffrey
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That, my friend, is an opinion, and not a fact.

Norway and Sweden seem to be doing fine.

Denmark has its issues, bu is doing as well as the U.S.

Iceland, which gave the to the world economies in the latest meltdown is kicking ass.

Broaden your horizons, chief, beyond FOX news coverage.
you should try to not get your socialism talking points from Bernie Sanders. This Forbes article sums it up nicely. but since you're so fact averse, i would expect you cannot comprehend what is being told to you.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffrey.../#6fadd70a74ad

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It is certainly true that Sweden, Norway, Finland, and Denmark are notable economic successes. What is false is that these countries are particularly socialist.
Perhaps a better name for what the Nordic countries practice would be compassionate capitalism.

As the American left embraces a platform that continues to look more and more like a socialist’s dream, it is common for those on the right to counter with the example of Venezuela as the nightmare of socialism in reality. A common response from the left is that socialism (or democratic socialism) works just fine in Sweden, Norway, and Denmark. It is certainly true that Sweden, Norway, Finland, and Denmark are notable economic successes. What is false is that these countries are particularly socialist.

The myth of Nordic socialism is partially created by a confusion between socialism, meaning government exerting control or ownership of businesses, and the welfare state in the form of government-provided social safety net programs. However, the left’s embrace of socialism is not merely a case of redefining a word. Simply look at the long-running affinity of leftists with socialist dictators in Cuba, Nicaragua, and Venezuela for proof many on the left long for real socialism.

To the extent that the left wants to point to an example of successful socialism, not just generous welfare states, the Nordic countries are actually a poor case to cite. Regardless of the perception, in reality the Nordic countries practice mostly free market economics paired with high taxes exchanged for generous government entitlement programs.


First, it is worth noting that the Nordic counties were economic successes before they built their welfare states. Those productive economies, generating good incomes for their workers, allowed the governments to raise the tax revenue needed to pay for the social benefits. It was not the government benefits that created wealth, but wealth that allowed the luxury of such generous government programs.

Second, as evidence of the lack of government interference in business affairs, there is the fact that none of these countries have minimum wage laws. Unions are reasonably powerful in many industries and negotiate contracts, but the government does nothing to ensure any particular outcome from those negotiations. Workers are paid what they are worth, not based on government’s perception of what is fair.

A third example of Nordic commitment to free markets can be found in Sweden which has complete school choice. The government provides families with vouchers for each child. These vouchers can be used to attend regular public schools, government-run charter schools, or private, for-profit schools. Clearly, the use of government funds to pay for private, for-profit schools is the opposite of socialism.

We can also confirm these isolated facts by looking at a comprehensive measure of capitalism relative to socialism. The Fraser Institute, a Vancouver-based, pro-free market, think tank, compiles a worldwide ranking of countries called the economic freedom index. Its website explains that its ranking “is an effort to identify how closely the institutions and policies of a country correspond with a limited government ideal, where the government protects property rights and arranges for the provision of a limited set of “public goods” such as national defense and access to money of sound value, but little beyond these core functions.” Clearly, a socialist country should perform poorly in any ranking based on these principles.

What we find, however, is the Nordic countries rank quite high on this index of economic freedom. In fact, while Hong Kong and Singapore top the list and the U.S. ranks 12th, we can find the Nordic countries in quite respectable rankings. Denmark ranks 15, Finland 17, Norway 25, and Sweden 27. In terms of numerical scores, Sweden is only 5% lower than the U.S. For further comparison, South Korea and Japan, both considered fairly pro-free market, rank 32 and 39, respectively.

Socialism can take the form of government controlling or interfering with free markets, nationalizing industries, and subsidizing favored ones (green energy, anyone?). The Nordic countries don’t actually do much of those things. Yes, they offer government-paid healthcare, in some cases tuition-free university educations, and rather generous social safety nets, all financed with high taxes. However, it is possible to do these things without interfering in the private sector more than required. It is allowing businesses to be productive that produces the high corporate and personal incomes that support the tax collections making the government benefits feasible. The Nordic countries are smart enough not to kill the goose that lays the golden egg.

If the left insists on naming a system of generous government benefits combined with a free market democratic socialism, I cannot stop them. That seems unnecessarily confusing since the government is actually running no industries other than education (and meddling somewhat in healthcare). It certainly isn’t socialism. In fact, the only reason most such countries can afford those benefits is that their market economies are so productive they can cover the expense of the government’s generosity. Perhaps a better name for what the Nordic countries practice would be compassionate capitalism.



Jeffrey Dorfman is a professor of economics at The University of Georgia. His last popular press book is an e-book, Ending the Era of the Free Lunch. You can follow him on Twitter @DorfmanJeffrey
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you should try to not get your socialism talking points from Bernie Sanders. This Forbes article sums it up nicely. but since you're so fact averse, i would expect you cannot comprehend what is being told to you.


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Yep. Read that over the weekend. Good article.

...and while I spoke admiringly of Norway, etc., I recognize some of the issues that exist, and how that form of government is best done in smallish countries.

Applied in the U.S., I'd see this sort of government more appropriate for states vs. the feds to pursue (in the most general philosophical sense). It seems to me there's an appropriate scale, that would be pretty much defined by state borders.

States are far better equipped to maintain accountability (or lose in elections for lack of it) than our Federally elected representatives.

To a degree we have that, and I applaud efforts to move further towards states self-defining their cultures.

If West Virginia prefers low taxes and an ignorant population of opioid addicts, that's their call.

Likewise, if a state wishes to tax themselves into oblivion (New York), I'm sure other states will welcome their industries.

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That, my friend, is an opinion, and not a fact.
Norway and Sweden seem to be doing fine.
Denmark has its issues, bu is doing as well as the U.S.
Iceland, which gave the to the world economies in the latest meltdown is kicking ass.
Broaden your horizons, chief, beyond FOX news coverage.
Want a real fact? Socialism is wrong from a moral standpoint. That's a fact. I don't care if it did work in every place it was attempted. It's evil and denies basic property rights and fundamental freedoms.
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That, my friend, is an opinion, and not a fact.

Norway and Sweden seem to be doing fine.

Denmark has its issues, bu is doing as well as the U.S.

Iceland, which gave the to the world economies in the latest meltdown is kicking ass.

Broaden your horizons, chief, beyond FOX news coverage.
You are fucking stupid. Norway Denmark and Sweden are not Socialist countries. They are countries that provide heavy social protections for the people (welfare) BUT operate with a capitalist economy they are Social Democracies. Who owns the businesses and production facilities in these countries? Not the govt as in a true socialist country. They are owned by private individuals. Who controls the flow of goods and materials? Again not the govt its controlled by the market. You dont even understand the most basic concepts of socialism or socialist economics all you hear is "Free shit!" And you think its awesome. Typical pot smoking liberal worthless troll.

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For real socialism one needs to go to Cuba or North Korea. I don't think Venezuela fully qualifies.
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For real socialism one needs to go to Cuba or North Korea. I don't think Venezuela fully qualifies.
Venezuela is a dictatorship under the guise of a socialist democracy. Fake elections and all. They DID have a somewhat market driven economy with private and foriegn owned businesses and some govt owned businesses but thats done now. The govt runs everything. Poorly as with everything else they do.

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Yep. Read that over the weekend. Good article.

...and while I spoke admiringly of Norway, etc., I recognize some of the issues that exist, and how that form of government is best done in smallish countries.

Applied in the U.S., I'd see this sort of government more appropriate for states vs. the feds to pursue (in the most general philosophical sense). It seems to me there's an appropriate scale, that would be pretty much defined by state borders.

States are far better equipped to maintain accountability (or lose in elections for lack of it) than our Federally elected representatives.

To a degree we have that, and I applaud efforts to move further towards states self-defining their cultures.

If West Virginia prefers low taxes and an ignorant population of opioid addicts, that's their call.

Likewise, if a state wishes to tax themselves into oblivion (New York), I'm sure other states will welcome their industries.

so you agree that your previous statement that Denmark, Norway and Sweden are socialist is incorrect?
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Venezuela is a dictatorship under the guise of a socialist democracy. Fake elections and all. They DID have a somewhat market driven economy with private and foriegn owned businesses and some govt owned businesses but thats done now. The govt runs everything. Poorly as with everything else they do.
The reason why I excluded Venezuela is that there is still a lot of private ownership there, although that has been diminishing.
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