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Old 08-01-2018, 02:35 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Fire is slowing, containment is growing
that's still a whole lot of uncontrolled fire line
http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/pub/cdf/i...e2164_3799.pdf

southeastern side looks real good.
but lot of heat coming up from the north all the way down to the southwest side.
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Yup.

Read that it is the 6th largest fire in ca history
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Old 08-02-2018, 10:23 AM   #78 (permalink)
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now over 120K acres

not looking good for the Ranch fire right now either

just out 15 minutes ago
issued to a Mandatory Evacuation in Western Lake County. The Mandatory Evacuation area is west of Lucerne at Bartlett Springs Road and Highway CA-20, south of the fire, east of the fire, north of Clear Lake including the communities of Blue Lakes, Upper Lake, Nice, Lakeport, Witter Springs, Bachelor Valley, Scotts Valley, Saratoga Springs.
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now over 120K acres

not looking good for the Ranch fire right now either

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issued to a Mandatory Evacuation in Western Lake County. The Mandatory Evacuation area is west of Lucerne at Bartlett Springs Road and Highway CA-20, south of the fire, east of the fire, north of Clear Lake including the communities of Blue Lakes, Upper Lake, Nice, Lakeport, Witter Springs, Bachelor Valley, Scotts Valley, Saratoga Springs.
Ranch fire will hit a burn scar from last month going east soon. its cooking across the north side of the lake though. if they can keep it north, things are ok for a bit.
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Ranch fire will hit a burn scar from last month going east soon.
the biggest area burning is on the southeast area
looks like it will run up to Indian Reservoir
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Ranch fire will hit a burn scar from last month going east soon. its cooking across the north side of the lake though. if they can keep it north, things are ok for a bit.


Hope the burn scar holds for you. The lake Chelan area seems to burn every year in washington.


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VIIRS from the Ranch fire this morning

that's a lot of shit on fire right there
River fire is just in the bottom left

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The ranch fire and River fire are in my backyard. Ranch fire is burning through the national forest, river fire is burning BLM land. Got friends working on them. We are all pretty tired of fires. Last month we had one on the other side of me (1-2miles away).. Ready for fires to stop now
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The ranch fire and River fire are in my backyard. Ranch fire is burning through the national forest, river fire is burning BLM land. Got friends working on them. We are all pretty tired of fires. Last month we had one on the other side of me (1-2miles away).. Ready for fires to stop now
The data is showing this as a new norm. Those fire storms in Santa Rosa were really something. Used to only see that kind of devastation in remote forests, not in city suburbs. Every house I ever lived in while in CA had trees and landscaping right up the edge of the house, shit, our house in Visalia had a shake roof. Brilliant, put kindling on the roof.
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The data is showing this as a new norm. Those fire storms in Santa Rosa were really something. Used to only see that kind of devastation in remote forests, not in city suburbs. Every house I ever lived in while in CA had trees and landscaping right up the edge of the house, shit, our house in Visalia had a shake roof. Brilliant, put kindling on the roof.
Oakland hills fire was in 1991. 20+ killed, I think almost 3000 homes lost. This is nothing new. It is more common now that there are a lot more homes in the forest than there was 30 years ago.
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Oakland hills fire was in 1991. 20+ killed, I think almost 3000 homes lost. This is nothing new. It is more common now that there are a lot more homes in the forest than there was 30 years ago.
I was living in Sac at that time. I remember it.

It's a lot of things. Bark beetle/bad forest management, less rain, more people, more stupid people.
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Oakland hills fire was in 1991. 20+ killed, I think almost 3000 homes lost. This is nothing new. It is more common now that there are a lot more homes in the forest than there was 30 years ago.
Large fires, are not new.
what is new is how often they now can happen, or how long the fire season is

Oakland hills was in October, the very end of the dry season with an off shore wind (Santa Ana winds). always was the worst combination. small fire (1500ac) in a bad place with bad fuels (Eucalyptus) I was in Oakland at the time as well.

Napa fires were in October, again normally driest time of year.

Thomas fire (largest in CA) was in December of last year. should have been well into the wet season but didn't happen.

we currently have 3 fires burning in the state that could top 100,000 acres each (Carr, Ferguson, Medecino complex). they all started in July.
the big fire have typically been late in the season, September/October. July is early for such large fires

we now have large fires possible half of the year. the season keeps growing.
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A timelapse of the carrfire. Idk up to which day/hr it is current to.

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Carr Fire Shasta NF Burning into Redding

Talking to the guys that run in to those fires in washington they say a lot of the small fires that turn into big fires are because the state is fucking stupid. The state needs to start doing prescribed burns again. Allow logging up to or very near the wilderness areas. And then maintain the fucking roads put in by the logging companies. So much of the area the norse peak fire burned last year had been logged in the last 30 years, wilderness areas aside, but the state allowed those roads to be gated. So when they are not used trees turn roads in to forest very quickly. Had they been allowed to be driven on the fire crews could have gotten better equipment in much closer to the fires. Instead of waiting for the fires to come to the equipment.

Now we have a fire burning just east of white pass. I have old fire maps and there are a fuck ton of old roads leading up to the goat rocks wilderness area, where part of the fire is burning. But left unmaintained there are no useable roads to access the fire and that is hard terrain over there to hump equipment through. Its kicked my ass a few times just carrying a rifle looking for Bambi. Cant imagine packing a saw, gas/oil, shovel, axe, and full clothing and gear through that shit in 100 degree weather. Those firefighters kick ass!


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This season, along with the last, will hopefully bring big changes in fire prevention in CA.

This fire also got me thinking why is every highway and road lined dry grass? Seems like a good place to start
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This season, along with the last, will hopefully bring big changes in fire prevention in CA.

This fire also got me thinking why is every highway and road lined dry grass? Seems like a good place to start


I love how instead of keeping the grass cut short they wait for it to get tall then spray a vegetation killer on it. So it dies dries and them easily takes a spark.


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^^ It has, for the last several years, at least in my county. Almost year round, there are fuel reduction crews, mostly CalFire kids from the Conservation camp (youth offenders). We had some real sketchy places, like the sides of the Greenhorn that were ready to explode. Over the last ~5 years or so the risk has been reduced considerably.

It will be interesting to see how homes built under the newer codes (since about 2012) will fare in the WUI areas.

HardiSiding and Metal roofs for the win!

(not to mention soffit vents that close in case of fire)
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Short grass burns just like tall grass. Green weeds will be on top of 3" of dead shit. It will sometimes not be visible but it is there. You know the coolest thing about green pants? They block water from hitting the burning dead stuff underneath.
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^^ It has, for the last several years, at least in my county. Almost year round, there are fuel reduction crews, mostly CalFire kids from the Conservation camp (youth offenders). We had some real sketchy places, like the sides of the Greenhorn that were ready to explode. Over the last ~5 years or so the risk has been reduced considerably.



It will be interesting to see how homes built under the newer codes (since about 2012) will fare in the WUI areas.



HardiSiding and Metal roofs for the win!



(not to mention soffit vents that close in case of fire)


With last fire season and now having another fire within 30 miles but burning away it has me wanting to wait on my addition until we can do ICF. And then cover the rest of the house with Hardi. Love that stuff.
But my decks are still at a minimum framed with wood. I use cedar decking because the good PVC shit is out of my price range.

***great idea on the closable soffit vents***

Friends of our used this shit to warp their cabin in last year for the norse peak fire. It probably saved their house. Burnt lawn all around their house yet house still standing.

http://firezat.com

Thinking I should have a few rolls of that under the house for the aww fuck moment.


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Short grass burns just like tall grass. Green weeds will be on top of 3" of dead shit. It will sometimes not be visible but it is there. You know the coolest thing about green pants? They block water from hitting the burning dead stuff underneath.


I will go walk the side of the highway and look for green weeds under the dead grass.


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Less than 1/2 mile from me up on the highway is about 40-50 trees on the edge of the road that are dead and have been for a year. They are within the Cal Trans easement and liability. You think they will take care of the problem?
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Less than 1/2 mile from me up on the highway is about 40-50 trees on the edge of the road that are dead and have been for a year. They are within the Cal Trans easement and liability. You think they will take care of the problem?


Rhetorical question?


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It will be interesting to see how homes built under the newer codes (since about 2012) will fare in the WUI areas.

HardiSiding and Metal roofs for the win!

(not to mention soffit vents that close in case of fire)
Everyone that has one will break out smores when the 100' flames come over the hill
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Kind of, but the thing is-- the state complains about the cost of fighting the fires while all along they are mostly the reason why we are having these mega fires that destroy hundreds of square miles every year. Along with PGE who just recently got POS Brown to sign off on their liability....essentially none. If you live in the country better have excellent insurance that will pay out when --god forbid---something happens. They keep taking from us without giving back what they promise. Time to storm the castle I'll tell ya
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