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Old 09-22-2018, 10:38 AM   #76 (permalink)
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J.D. and Little Earl Cutchall fight it out with meth-bat. Meth-bat lost, J.D and Little Earl found out the county jail was "pretty got dang nice", nothing else to see here.
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J.D. and Little Earl Cutchall fight it out with meth-bat. Meth-bat lost, J.D and Little Earl found out the county jail was "pretty got dang nice", nothing else to see here.
Yeah, until the two plead to manslaughter and pull a few years of hard time at a state pen...
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If the two shooters had been wearing shirts and the son didn't get recorded doing the skeet skeet they'd be in a way better light as far as public opinion. They're getting torn to shreds on social media. I think the old man carried himself pretty well as far as how crazy howard was getting.
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Yeah, until the two plead to manslaughter and pull a few years of hard time at a state pen...
We had a thread about this recently. Apparently the asspounding is an "only in movies" thing.
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Pistol guy’s feet never moved. He never raised his weapon until he was advanced on. He never raised his voice. He was in physical danger and his life was verbally threatened. He verbally warned the psycho not to advance. He walks. Shotgun guy was an asshole, antagonizing the psycho and wasn’t in the physical danger pistol guy was. If his fire protected pistol guy, he walks too. If he fired when psycho was down, he’s screwed. The nut job in the orange shirt was the architect of his own demise.
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Well, by all means, garbage in an alleyway is indeed something worth getting shot and killed over. Or worth going out and shooting and killing someone over.

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Well, by all means, garbage in an alleyway is indeed something worth getting shot and killed over. Or worth going out and shooting and killing someone over.

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The only real question is were they fighting over who was leaving garbage or fighting over who gets to steal the garbage?
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This situation is really fascinating, setting aside the bowls of stupid and poor judgement seen. How would you prosecute or defend dese gieyz?

How about the son? What was his justification? How would you defend him?

I hope this gets a lot of press because it will be interesting to see unfold.

Separately, I thought all things Texan were super-sized. You call that a dumpster? Looks like a trash barrel to me.
According to the WA Post, the victim had thrown out the mattress and then found it back on his property, he then threw it in the dumpster again, and watched the Father put it back on his property, which is when he went out to confront the Father. If this is how it went down, it would be why they have been charged with 1st degree murder, you don't get to create a situation where you put yourself in a position where you have to use lethal force to defend yourself, and then claim self defense.

The Prosecutor will claim the Father was the instigator here, and armed himself knowing he would create a situation where he would need to use the gun, either brandishing it, as he did throughout the video, or actually intended to force the victim to act in away so that he had to use it. They will claim either his son knew the father went armed, and decided to joined in, or that since the father w/his gun didn't scare the victim, getting his shotgun would, and the hand gesture was his way of taunting the victim to act.

Defense is going to claim that there has been a long standing dispute between the victim and the two of them, and in the past the victim used his size advantage to threaten them. Will also claim that ever since heated encounter "X", the 67yr old Father has been in fear for his safety and is why he always carried a small handgun with him whenever he was out due to being afraid of the neighbor who was twice his size and half his age, and this was the only time he ever drew it due to the victims aggressive actions. They will also claim that the son, having had his own encounters with the victim, also feared for his father's safety, which is why he grabbed his shotgun, hoping to diffuse the situation, and will argue that neither wanted to use their guns, and that when the victim grabbed the baseball bat they were in fear for their lives which is why the Father fired first in self defense, and the son having to chamber a round, shows that he did not intend to kill the neighbor, and only chambered a round after the victim went for the bat.

The video is pretty damning evidence, appearance and actions alone wont play well for them with the Jury, and since there is no video of the victim doing anything before the first shots are fired, it is going to be hard to establish self-defense, they best plead it out and not risk a jury trial.

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Have a friend in town from Australia visiting Texas right now, and I explained this scenario to him. He's outside of Plano at the moment and said the small towns out there are 600~1000 population... where he confirmed that half the people in those towns knew each other by blood.
So he feels right at home.

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Heavy.com report...

Howard’s fiancee, Kara Box, videotaped the deadly dispute on her cell phone and released it to local ABC station KTXS.

Box Described a Bloody Scene After The Millers Opened Fire & Claimed The Shotgun Was a Scattershot For The Damage it Did to Howard

At one point in the video, Box can be heard saying “you’re not going to shoot my husband,” after walking in between the men and her Howard. However, she told KTXS that they began opening fire right over her shoulder, despite the fact that she stood between them.

“You can see that I stepped in between them and I said, ‘you’re not going to shoot my husband’ then he fired passed my head,” Box said.

Box told KTXS News that the incident when Howard was shot was the first interaction that Howard had with his neighbors. She said that she sat on the side of the road in shock, covered in her husband’s blood, waiting for the police to arrive.

She described a gruesome scene, stating that, after John Miller shot Howard in the chest over her shoulder, his son opened fire with a shotgun that must’ve been a “scattershot because it took his eye, the top of his head, his ear,” she told KTXS.


Taylor County District Attorney Jim Hicks told KTXS: “Video evidence like this is always graphic and very difficult to watch. But, it is consistent with the charges,” Hicks said.
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According to the WA Post, the victim had thrown out the mattress and then found it back on his property, he then threw it in the dumpster again, and watched the Father put it back on his property, which is when he went out to confront the Father. If this is how it went down, it would be why they have been charged with 1st degree murder, you don't get to create a situation where you put yourself in a position where you have to use lethal force to defend yourself, and then claim self defense.
They were rearrested and the bail has been set at $250,000 each now and this^^ is the reason. The chief of police basically said that there was evidence that they were tired of their neighbor and wanted to get rid of him.
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Mr Shotgun McNuggets (with extra sauce) is going down.
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This video is exactly what the rest of the world thinks Texas is.
And yet it doesn't keep people from moving there.
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We had a thread about this recently. Apparently the asspounding is an "only in movies" thing.
But the boredom, rude fucking assholes, psychopaths, human stench and starchy food is real...Although the Bell Brothers might like the food..
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They were rearrested and the bail has been set at $250,000 each now and this^^ is the reason. The chief of police basically said that there was evidence that they were tired of their neighbor and wanted to get rid of him.
If this is the case...……………….tired of their neighbor and wanted to get rid of him, then 1st degree murder is certainly warranted.
Real bunch of dumbfucks.
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I wish I had saved them but in a discussion on 4chan last night (yeah I know) someone posted screenshots of crazy guys arrest record and mugshots. Dude was arrested at one point for threatening a mailman. I think old shirtless guy was correct in being armed around that shit bird.

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I wish I had saved them but in a discussion on 4chan last night (yeah I know) someone posted screenshots of crazy guys arrest record and mugshots. Dude was arrested at one point for threatening a mailman. I think old shirtless guy was correct in being armed around that shit bird.

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I get it totally the orange shirt guy is crazy he has a record etc etc. still why was it necessary to bait him into confrontation & keep messing with him... because they knew he would react badly and they could smoke his ass.
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That's going to be the hard part to figure out. There's a lot of the story missing from before the video starts. I think the son will be found guilty, I'm not so sure about the dad.
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According to the WA Post, the victim had thrown out the mattress and then found it back on his property, he then threw it in the dumpster again, and watched the Father put it back on his property, which is when he went out to confront the Father. If this is how it went down, it would be why they have been charged with 1st degree murder, you don't get to create a situation where you put yourself in a position where you have to use lethal force to defend yourself, and then claim self defense.

The Prosecutor will claim the Father was the instigator here, and armed himself knowing he would create a situation where he would need to use the gun, either brandishing it, as he did throughout the video, or actually intended to force the victim to act in away so that he had to use it. They will claim either his son knew the father went armed, and decided to joined in, or that since the father w/his gun didn't scare the victim, getting his shotgun would, and the hand gesture was his way of taunting the victim to act.

Defense is going to claim that there has been a long standing dispute between the victim and the two of them, and in the past the victim used his size advantage to threaten them. Will also claim that ever since heated encounter "X", the 67yr old Father has been in fear for his safety and is why he always carried a small handgun with him whenever he was out due to being afraid of the neighbor who was twice his size and half his age, and this was the only time he ever drew it due to the victims aggressive actions. They will also claim that the son, having had his own encounters with the victim, also feared for his father's safety, which is why he grabbed his shotgun, hoping to diffuse the situation, and will argue that neither wanted to use their guns, and that when the victim grabbed the baseball bat they were in fear for their lives which is why the Father fired first in self defense, and the son having to chamber a round, shows that he did not intend to kill the neighbor, and only chambered a round after the victim went for the bat.

The video is pretty damning evidence, appearance and actions alone wont play well for them with the Jury, and since there is no video of the victim doing anything before the first shots are fired, it is going to be hard to establish self-defense, they best plead it out and not risk a jury trial.

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Pretty much how I see the whole thing.

EDIT: However, it's very clear the son had to chamber a round before shooting as seen and heard in the video, and the victim had already been shot twice by pistol guy.

It all happened very fast, but I think the son was not acting in self defense at that point.
The victim was likely already going down and the threat mitigated.

Of course I don't live in Texas nor am I a lawyer of any sort. Just the way I see it.



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they knew he would react badly and they could smoke his ass.

Which is why McPoptart and his son McSausageLink are going to have a rough go at this.
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