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Old 09-27-2018, 07:29 PM   #26 (permalink)
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You're pretty full of shit eh? 190psi eh? Because 99% of shop compressors max out at 175psi. And you just don't bother using the high setting because it's that badass eh? Rriighhhtttt...
When you own your own shop you can adjust the regulator where you want it. 180 to 190 is not that difficult, depending if the tank is completely full or not. Most shops run between 170 - 180 all day long. Mineís a tad higher. Iím not sure why you are pissed about that.

I donít use the high setting on the Milwaukee, because no, I donít ďneedĒ it. I used it at first and it works great, but with the feature that it drops to 700 rpm after it detects the nut/bolt is loose and drops it, is annoying. So I leave it on setting 3 and all works well and more like an air impact. If I ďneedĒ extra power itís a push of the button away.

Iím not sure why Iím explaining it to you. You seem to be dead set that Iím lying for some reason, so whatever.
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Old 09-27-2018, 07:39 PM   #27 (permalink)
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A buddy has the m18 grinder. It is bad ass, he tried bogging it down and it never slowed down.
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When you own your own shop you can adjust the regulator where you want it. 180 to 190 is not that difficult, depending if the tank is completely full or not. Most shops run between 170 - 180 all day long. Mineís a tad higher. Iím not sure why you are pissed about that.

I donít use the high setting on the Milwaukee, because no, I donít ďneedĒ it. I used it at first and it works great, but with the feature that it drops to 700 rpm after it detects the nut/bolt is loose and drops it, is annoying. So I leave it on setting 3 and all works well and more like an air impact. If I ďneedĒ extra power itís a push of the button away.

Iím not sure why Iím explaining it to you. You seem to be dead set that Iím lying for some reason, so whatever.
You can pretend to set your regulator to whatever you want, the pressure shutoff on almost any 2 stage shop grade air compressor (Quincy, Ingersoll Rand, etc) is 175psi and that is all the tank/pump are rated for. Please provide a link to your uber air compressor that does 190psi...the only one I've ever seen higher is some crappy Dewalt home owner grade ones.
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Old 09-27-2018, 07:45 PM   #29 (permalink)
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You can pretend to set your regulator to whatever you want, the pressure shutoff on almost any 2 stage shop grade air compressor (Quincy, Ingersoll Rand, etc) is 175psi and that is all the tank/pump are rated for. Please provide a link to your uber air compressor that does 190psi...the only one I've ever seen higher is some crappy Dewalt home owner grade ones.
Itís over 30 years old and you canít hardly make out the labels anymore. Hell, Iím not even sure what brand it is. I just make sure the compressor oil is full and thatís about it. When it goes, Iíll be like you normal folks, I guess. Wait. No I wonít. Iíll use Milwaukee tools to do the hard work and air for airing up tires.
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How about using a torque stick, to get you close. Then just go back with a torque wrench and check them off.
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It is hard to explain how powerful this electric now is. Read the specs, itís no joke:

https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Produc...enches/2767-20

I'm not dissing the tools as they are amazing. I just don't fully trust them yet. And wary of the marketing smoke (from anyone).

As shown here these tools are pretty crazy. 500+ ft-lbs from a Harbor Freight jobber.



Good vid on the difference between tightening and loosening torque:
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Why not a torque stick?

https://www.jegs.com/i/Specialty-Pro...iABEgLwT_D_BwE
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Old 09-28-2018, 04:13 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Why not stop being a bunch of lazy fucks and get a proper torque wrench?

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You wonít trust Milwaukee but youíll trust harbor freight? There are lots of videos on the 1,400 ft oh Milwaukee nut busting torque.

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I'm not dissing the tools as they are amazing. I just don't fully trust them yet. And wary of the marketing smoke (from anyone).

As shown here these tools are pretty crazy. 500+ ft-lbs from a Harbor Freight jobber.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkPzjV-ZaTU


Good vid on the difference between tightening and loosening torque:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zuqSrD6F8I
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Old 09-28-2018, 07:44 AM   #35 (permalink)
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um loosening torque and tightening torque are not the same on impact's? The 800 ft-lbs is usually just in removing. Or that is my understanding.

So if you have a part that needs to be 400ft-lbs to install I would not rely on an electric impact gun.
Both air and electric have less torque when tightening. There's not a 1/2" air gun out there that comes close to the torque of the new electric guns. Electric is about 1400ft-lbs removing and 1000ft-lbs tightening. Most quality air guns are 1000 and 750. Not even close to the power of an electric gun.
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Old 09-28-2018, 07:59 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Both air and electric have less torque when tightening. There's not a 1/2" air gun out there that comes close to the torque of the new electric guns. Electric is about 1400ft-lbs removing and 1000ft-lbs tightening. Most quality air guns are 1000 and 750. Not even close to the power of an electric gun.
I kinda did a at home test of this when I got my Milwalkee 1/2" gun....ran a 3/4" bolt/nut down with the timax 1/2" and didn't think the electric would remove it.... and it did easily...Im impressed by its power for sure. Though Ill admit it was on full blitzkrieg setting 4....and Im still here to tell the tale!
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Old 09-28-2018, 08:26 AM   #37 (permalink)
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I kinda did a at home test of this when I got my Milwalkee 1/2" gun....ran a 3/4" bolt/nut down with the timax 1/2" and didn't think the electric would remove it.... and it did easily...Im impressed by its power for sure. Though Ill admit it was on full blitzkrieg setting 4....and Im still here to tell the tale!
I've fooled around like this before too and find that I usually end up deforming things long before I hit an actual high torque value. Using 5/8" grade 5 bolts I can't even get close to maxing out my 250ft-lbs torque wrench (e.g. set to 200ft-lbs it just starts to deform things). So at most your gun might be loosening a few hundred ft-lbs which is nothing to it.

The higher torque is useful when big suspension/chassis components have been assembled and left to rust for 10 years...pretty hard to replicate this to "test out" the various guns.

I think the biggest advantage of the cordless impacts these days is more around consistency in the setup. You plug a charged battery in and you get full performance every single time. With an air setup you need to make sure your compressor, piping, hoses, regulators, fittings, etc. are setup right to get full torque AND the gun degrades overtime if it's not kept serviced properly (not just lubing but the occasional greasing as well and rebuild kits after so much usage). I would imagine if we could measure every single IR TiMax gun out there on the various setups people have we'd see ranges of actual torque capabilities upwards of 500ft-lbs less than rated torque.
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Old 09-28-2018, 08:34 AM   #38 (permalink)
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I've tried torquing 5/8" bolt to torque spec. The electric units stall out before torque specs is reached, 250-ish ft-lbs. I can get them to spec by hand and the 1/2" guns will remove the nuts.

Also had some 3/4" bolts on Mog stuff that is installed to factory spec, somewhere's around 450+ ft-lbs and the 1/2" electric units won't budge them (removing).

So dumb or not that's been my experience.

The old 120v units? They're pussy compared to the battery stuff.

I rattled out a Honda crank bolt with mine, and people bitch all the time about not being able to get them with air.


But hey, be a dick about it while we're getting shit done and never tripping over an air line.

The only reason to buy an air compressor for me is paint and blowing shit off. Zero tools really need to be air powered in most shops now.
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The one Milwaukee Fuel 1/2" I got, which is the "best" one according to the other thread on here, isn't very good.

It won't even touch truck lug nuts, we still need the 1" air impact. I mostly bougt it for that too, figured could fix in the woods without dragging out the service truck.

Hell the other day it wouldn't take off 3 or 4 of my pickup lug nuts that the 1/2" air gun spun off with barely an ugga dugga.

It's supposed to be like 1400 ft/lbs? Yeah... no way in hell!

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The old 120v units? They're pussy compared to the battery stuff.

I rattled out a Honda crank bolt with mine, and people bitch all the time about not being able to get them with air.


But hey, be a dick about it while we're getting shit done and never tripping over an air line.

The only reason to buy an air compressor for me is paint and blowing shit off. Zero tools really need to be air powered in most shops now.
Let me think about that...

3/4" impacts (ya Milwaukee has one coming but it's just a different anvil on the same gun)
1" impacts
Air hammers
Die grinders (I wouldn't consider these fully replaced yet)
Needle scalers
Painting
Airing up/Blowing Off
Body Sanders
Nail guns (I wouldn't consider these fully replaced yet)
Anything that needs tight clearances, cordless tools are still bulky

It's come a long way, but air is still non-optional.
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Old 09-28-2018, 10:08 AM   #41 (permalink)
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why not just buy a 4-1 torque multiplier and use your regular 150 ft lb capable torque wrench?
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The one Milwaukee Fuel 1/2" I got, which is the "best" one according to the other thread on here, isn't very good.

It won't even touch truck lug nuts, we still need the 1" air impact. I mostly bougt it for that too, figured could fix in the woods without dragging out the service truck.

Hell the other day it wouldn't take off 3 or 4 of my pickup lug nuts that the 1/2" air gun spun off with barely an ugga dugga.

It's supposed to be like 1400 ft/lbs? Yeah... no way in hell!
What battery? And did you check the settings? And what model #?

There is something wrong if it's that gutless. Mine spins off lug nuts with ease, but you do need a 9.0 battery to get full torque. I won't bother running it on less than a 5.0
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The one Milwaukee Fuel 1/2" I got, which is the "best" one according to the other thread on here, isn't very good.

It won't even touch truck lug nuts, we still need the 1" air impact. I mostly bougt it for that too, figured could fix in the woods without dragging out the service truck.

Hell the other day it wouldn't take off 3 or 4 of my pickup lug nuts that the 1/2" air gun spun off with barely an ugga dugga.

It's supposed to be like 1400 ft/lbs? Yeah... no way in hell!
Has to be environmental, how cold are you trying to make them work? That's about the only downside, cold weather hurts the performance on the batteries.

I gave my old Milwaukee brushed 1/2" impact (2662-21, 450ft-lbs iirc) to my BIL to keep in his drill rig because he has to pull the outer duals leaving some job sites to get the mud out before hitting the highway. Less than 1/2 of a 5.0 battery they're off and on without a hitch.

I got the guys a 2763 (700ft-lbs fastening?) for the shop and every time they gall up a 18-8 fastener up to 1/2", they just shear it instead of cutting it off now.
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bullshit.

I've taken lug nuts off in 0 degree weather with mine, and it's not even the fuel version. just the older 4 pole brushed on.

I just used it to break loose all the lug bolts on a volvo, and to break free the LCA bolts that were factory locktited and torqued to 130nm that have been on there since 2004.
all of that with an old XC 4.0 battery that only had 3 bars showing when I started.
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You wonít trust Milwaukee but youíll trust harbor freight? There are lots of videos on the 1,400 ft oh Milwaukee nut busting torque.
Where did I say that? You think somehow Milwaukee is fully honest on their power ratings or that they shine up their numbers just like everyone else?
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Old 09-28-2018, 12:21 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Where did I say that? You think somehow Milwaukee is fully honest on their power ratings or that they shine up their numbers just like everyone else?
they shine all that shit up.

but the reality is that in buying cordless tools these days you're buying batteries.

and in my experience the willfuckyee batteries are the best.
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Both air and electric have less torque when tightening. There's not a 1/2" air gun out there that comes close to the torque of the new electric guns. Electric is about 1400ft-lbs removing and 1000ft-lbs tightening. Most quality air guns are 1000 and 750. Not even close to the power of an electric gun.
Uh new air guns are claiming 930ft-lbs tightening and 1350ft-lbs removing. That's pretty close. What they are actually rate out to I don't know.

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The old 120v units? They're pussy compared to the battery stuff.

I rattled out a Honda crank bolt with mine, and people bitch all the time about not being able to get them with air.
No not corded stuff.

It's amusing that just because I have not had the same experience and someone else that means I'm wrong and my experience never happened.

I guess I must have misremember what happened.
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they shine all that shit up.

but the reality is that in buying cordless tools these days you're buying batteries.

and in my experience the willfuckyee batteries are the best.

Pretty much. I like Bosch and Makita magic packs myself, but as long as they use the pink (Samsung, LG are okay too) cells they are all pretty good.
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we have a coupe mulcher heads at work in my experience even with using anti seize and regular tightening of the teeth bolts you're still going to need at least a 3/4" impact to remove the teeth.

our munchers are FAE brand so they have one large metric fine thread bolt holding the teeth on (im assuming by the torque spec you also have this design) we also have one bobcat head that uses 2 i think 1/2" bolts which aren't as much of a PITA
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bullshit.

I've taken lug nuts off in 0 degree weather with mine, and it's not even the fuel version. just the older 4 pole brushed on.

I just used it to break loose all the lug bolts on a volvo, and to break free the LCA bolts that were factory locktited and torqued to 130nm that have been on there since 2004.
all of that with an old XC 4.0 battery that only had 3 bars showing when I started.
I've never tried it, but data says battery capacity is about 50% of rated at 0*F. He may be full of crap, but batteries not performing well under low temperature isn't, it's science.

I've had nothing but good luck with either the brushed or newer 1st gen Fuel.
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