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Old 11-12-2019, 09:09 AM   #1126 (permalink)
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There are some guys from Colorado building another 4 gen 4skinner for this year's KOH. I still say the rack and pinion is going to be the weakest link in any 97-up Toyota IFS build. They are posting on instafamous under @ sherpamotorsports.
Aren’t trophy trucks R&P? Just have make them fit.


My mid travel Tundra has R&P with the total chaos rack bushings. Running 33-34 inch tires, it has been better than my previous T100 with a steering box and idler arm, etc. the idler being the weakest link.

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We are building a '86 Comanche essentially from bone stock for the Ultra4 2020 season. We will have it done for KOH, but anybody's guess on how well we will do. We will also be racing the UTV again, hopefully this time with my wife getting some driving time..
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Old 11-13-2019, 12:15 PM   #1132 (permalink)
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Stumbled upon this a bit ago, 4600 Ranger build

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Arenít trophy trucks R&P? Just have make them fit.


My mid travel Tundra has R&P with the total chaos rack bushings. Running 33-34 inch tires, it has been better than my previous T100 with a steering box and idler arm, etc. the idler being the weakest link.
I have seen plenty of production racks in several different brands of vehicles fail when pushed with 35" tires and locked front diffs. The trophy truck rack would be the ideal upgrade for any 4600 providing they can figure out mounting and operation.
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Stumbled upon this a bit ago, 4600 Ranger build

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I've always thought one of these would make a great 4600 platform. I do question the decision of using the TTB pivot drop brackets over a set of cut and turned beams. Even with the drop brackets, the A4LD is going to be the weak link. Sucks that Ford never put a good transmission option in the Ranger.
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Stumbled upon this a bit ago, 4600 Ranger build

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Granted I haven't read the full rules but are axle swaps fair game for 4600? Seems stupid to do 9" + D44 when you can go D50 up front and whatever you want out back (D60 from an E-series would work well for his application) for a similiar amount of work and have 8-lug all around.

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I've always thought one of these would make a great 4600 platform. I do question the decision of using the TTB pivot drop brackets over a set of cut and turned beams. Even with the drop brackets, the A4LD is going to be the weak link. Sucks that Ford never put a good transmission option in the Ranger.
Drop brackets keep the camber under control better and usually get you a little more up-travel than cut and turned beams of the same ride height. I don't really see a strong advantage for C&T in this application. A4LD is definitely the weak link but it has a tall enough 4th that he can gear those axles as low as they'll go and have all the speed he needs which should keep it alive.

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That steering will be just fine.

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Granted I haven't read the full rules but are axle swaps fair game for 4600? Seems stupid to do 9" + D44 when you can go D50 up front and whatever you want out back (D60 from an E-series would work well for his application) for a similiar amount of work and have 8-lug all around.



Drop brackets keep the camber under control better and usually get you a little more up-travel than cut and turned beams of the same ride height. I don't really see a strong advantage for C&T in this application. A4LD is definitely the weak link but it has a tall enough 4th that he can gear those axles as low as they'll go and have all the speed he needs which should keep it alive.
Axle swap ok, must be original style suspension. Coils stay coils, leafs stay leafs, solid axles stay solid, and a arm stays a arm, ttb stays ttb.

The Dana 50 option is tougher because it's not been done as much and requires fuckery for axle shaft lengths. 44 is pretty cut and dry. Little Ranger engine isn't putting down enough power to hurt the 44.

We've disagreed on the cut and turns affect on travel in the past, I'll let that dead horse remain.

83-85 ran a C5 auto which could be built nicely. That and a done up 2.3 could be reliable, but you'd need a doubler and high gears, or no fear of revving to the moon.
They do make some upgraded A4LD components, not sure how well they'll last though.



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That steering will be just fine.

Pretty common with the prerunner guys, but I agree I'd be looking to go heims or at least Chevy 1 ton TREs
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Pretty common with the prerunner guys, but I agree I'd be looking to go heims or at least Chevy 1 ton TREs
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Axle swap ok, must be original style suspension. Coils stay coils, leafs stay leafs, solid axles stay solid, and a arm stays a arm, ttb stays ttb.

The Dana 50 option is tougher because it's not been done as much and requires fuckery for axle shaft lengths. 44 is pretty cut and dry. Little Ranger engine isn't putting down enough power to hurt the 44.

We've disagreed on the cut and turns affect on travel in the past, I'll let that dead horse remain.

83-85 ran a C5 auto which could be built nicely. That and a done up 2.3 could be reliable, but you'd need a doubler and high gears, or no fear of revving to the moon.
They do make some upgraded A4LD components, not sure how well they'll last though.


Pretty common with the prerunner guys, but I agree I'd be looking to go heims or at least Chevy 1 ton TREs
I'm more worried about the 44 sized u joints than anything else which is why I suggested 50. You can pretty much blow them up on command in a Bronco with 35s and lockers. He's gonna be coming in very close to the weight of a full size truck with all his cage and whatnot.

I don't think engine reliability matters thaaat much. All the options are decent enough as long as you can keep the right fluids in the right places. There's no reason to do anything other than 4.0 or 2.3 though. The intermediate v6s can't make the power and they can't rev enough to make up for it like the 2.3 can. That said, good fucking luck building a 2.3 these days. Most of the speed parts aren't made anymore.

Steering is pretty par for the course for a Ranger build of that caliber but that steering gear is plenty capable of making a pretzel if he gets unlucky in the rocks.

In 4600 you're gonna have some weak points no matter what so it does at some level come down to luck. There is nothing new in this build. Everything is tried and true and the performance is known. If the driver has a lot of seat time in similar vehicles and knows what they can survive and what it takes to break them he may very well get lucky.

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Ironic that posford comments on the POS Ford.
Not only did I comment, as a matter of fact I posted the link to the POS too

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I'm more worried about the 44 sized u joints than anything else which is why I suggested 50. You can pretty much blow them up on command in a Bronco with 35s and lockers. He's gonna be coming in very close to the weight of a full size truck with all his cage and whatnot.

In 4600 you're gonna have some weak points no matter what so it does at some level come down to luck.
U joints are tougher to kill when you actually but Spicer ones not that Duralast bullshit. But it is hammers. Idfk it definitely comes down to luck
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We are building a '86 Comanche essentially from bone stock for the Ultra4 2020 season. We will have it done for KOH, but anybody's guess on how well we will do. We will also be racing the UTV again, hopefully this time with my wife getting some driving time..


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Pretty common with the prerunner guys, but I agree I'd be looking to go heims or at least Chevy 1 ton TREs
There are heims....but the rest of that looks stock
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It's in the Jeep Cherokee subsection... I've been super busy with work and traveling but going on my final work trip of the year next week and then after that we'll start seeing a ton of progress and hopefully itll be running/driving/ready to shake down by Christmas.


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It's in the Jeep Cherokee subsection... I've been super busy with work and traveling but going on my final work trip of the year next week and then after that we'll start seeing a ton of progress and hopefully itll be running/driving/ready to shake down by Christmas.


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Axle swap ok, must be original style suspension. Coils stay coils, leafs stay leafs, solid axles stay solid, and a arm stays a arm, ttb stays ttb.

The Dana 50 option is tougher because it's not been done as much and requires fuckery for axle shaft lengths. 44 is pretty cut and dry. Little Ranger engine isn't putting down enough power to hurt the 44.

We've disagreed on the cut and turns affect on travel in the past, I'll let that dead horse remain.

83-85 ran a C5 auto which could be built nicely. That and a done up 2.3 could be reliable, but you'd need a doubler and high gears, or no fear of revving to the moon.
They do make some upgraded A4LD components, not sure how well they'll last though.





Pretty common with the prerunner guys, but I agree I'd be looking to go heims or at least Chevy 1 ton TREs
i think he needs this setup, steering and suspension

EDIT: quote from his build thread--- "steering is an old 7sx desert truck trick. used 2wd 1991 ford explorer steering which is pre bent. as you can see it runs fairly flat with the beam. we will see how well it holds up. because we are using drop brackets swing set steering isnt really a viable option for us.
you can also see how i reinforced the driver pivot after moving the bolt hole over."

i dont see where he explains his reasons for doing a drop mount for the axle though




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