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Old 11-27-2018, 09:50 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Old 11-27-2018, 09:52 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Interesting, there was recently a meeting in town about them putting in a new power line to move power from the windmills they already have up and running in the area.
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Interesting, there was recently a meeting in town about them putting in a new power line to move power from the windmills they already have up and running in the area.
That farm by you has to be going on close to 20 years?
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Old 11-27-2018, 09:57 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Couple big issues with wind mills:

#1 They only last, at most 20 years, then they are dead, with no way to refurbish.

#2 They cost way too much to demolish. So the power companies just leave them there.

#3 Generators die all the time prematurely with no way to replace. See #2
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Old 11-27-2018, 10:06 AM   #31 (permalink)
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It was cute to have a few of these windmills on the horizon when you drive across west texas. But, I think people are realizing how many windmills we'd need to replace oil. That answer is roughly 4 million. There would literally be windmills everywhere.

Suddenly that 40ft oil pumpjack doesn't look too bad, does it?
It's a shame how damn terrible the windmills look. They've completely ruined any natural beauty the place had, but that's cool to anyone who doesn't have to live by them.

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There is about 800 yards of concrete in one of the bases. Wind farm companies claim that you can recycle the concrete and sell it for base to recoup the cost. This is more bs they use when they propose a farm. In Champaign county they were only actually required to remove the concrete 4' below grade.
Lol. I wanna know how much it really costs to get it out. Something tells me there's not enough value there to offset buying new concrete. Something tells me Texas Lehigh and Martin Marietta are fine with that too.
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Old 11-27-2018, 10:10 AM   #32 (permalink)
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It's a shame how damn terrible the windmills look. They've completely ruined any natural beauty the place had, but that's cool to anyone who doesn't have to live by them.



Lol. I wanna know how much it really costs to get it out. Something tells me there's not enough value there to offset buying new concrete. Something tells me Texas Lehigh and Martin Marietta are fine with that too.
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Not the video I saw the other day, but there is a bunch of rebar in there also.
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Old 11-27-2018, 10:12 AM   #33 (permalink)
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That farm by you has to be going on close to 20 years?
I'm not sure when they started on it, it was going when I came back in 2011, but wasn't here in 2006. So yeah it is getting old. They just finished another one between Encino and Willard, not sure how many units they put in there.
I am wondering why they don't go with the Savonuis vertical rotor with the generator in the base. I saw some in Tehachipi Ca. years ago
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Old 11-27-2018, 10:36 AM   #34 (permalink)
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200k to remove? I assume that includes digging out the base, and tipping fees for the base and blades. Still that seems like a lot of money.
How much concrete is in the base of one of those?
Average 300 Yards, with the rebar skeleton, they ain't going anywhere without a fight.
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Old 11-27-2018, 10:50 AM   #35 (permalink)
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I don't believe I've ever said anything like that
Maybe you haven't. Just throwing out an invitation to defend them as you've done in the past. I, like many others here am convinced wind based energy is a farce. I enjoy debating the topic, and I thought of you the instant I read the article.
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Not Europe, but USA, Texas and California, what would wear the blades out ?
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I drive through a field of them every work day. In the last year I've seen them replace a couple of hubs, blades and one generator unit.

I am a firm believer that oil and power companies should set money in escrow accounts for the closure of oil wells and wind generators. The state of Oklahoma gives tax breaks to oil producers and then pays for well closure at tax payers expense.
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Not Europe, but USA, Texas and California, what would wear the blades out ?
The flex of the blade during high winds over time...
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Old 11-27-2018, 11:11 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Damn, lots of hate for wind power

From this thread one would assume that conventional power stations are maintenance free and last forever.

Having grown up where power stations were fed cheap coal, I would take wind generators "destroying" the landscape over the pollution haze and shit being pumped into the atmosphere any day. Besides, in places like Kansas and Wyoming, are you really ruining any "view" per se?
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I drive through a field of them every work day. In the last year I've seen them replace a couple of hubs, blades and one generator unit.

I am a firm believer that oil and power companies should set money in escrow accounts for the closure of oil wells and wind generators. The state of Oklahoma gives tax breaks to oil producers and then pays for well closure at tax payers expense.
Colorado Utah and New Mexico require a cash bond that can only be recovered once the wells are plugged and abandoned. There are of course a few "orphan wells" here and there that the state picks up the tab for but anything drilled since the 80's has a bond making sure the current producer is on the hook for P&A liabilities. And buying a field means each new owner/operator assumes the plugging liability with each transfer. I have 8 wells on my P&A list right now, work will commence in Q2 of 19.
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Damn, lots of hate for wind power
A lot of people don't like being told what to do. Free market > EPA jackboot.

A lot of people think wind is a scam extorting tax money. If it's a viable source of energy, why does it need subsidies?
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Old 11-27-2018, 11:46 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Crooked data from the “clean air” side? No way!

Next you’re gonna tell me that the “climate change” crowd adjust their data to get their desired results.
This is the problem with both sides. One says we're all going to die, the other says everything is great, both are motivated by their earning potential or political leanings.
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A lot of people don't like being told what to do. Free market > EPA jackboot.

A lot of people think wind is a scam extorting tax money. If it's a viable source of energy, why does it need subsidies?
I certainly don't like being told what to do, and believe in the free market.

Fuck the EPA, though those folks who lived through the smog in LA or the brown clouds in Denver may see some appeal to clean air. Let's be honest industry will never regulate itself without prodding from government, we can argue whether the prod should be regulation or through incentives or both.

Perhaps the current form of wind energy is a scam, but let's be honest, ALL forms of energy production in this country receive subsidies, or did in their infancy, directly, indirectly or through consumer incentives. To think otherwise is naive.

Wind and Solar do work, just ask any off shore sailor. I can attest that after an alternator failure on a yacht crossing the Atlantic, without solar panels and the wind generator we would have been in serious trouble.

Would I prefer the free market rule with zero government intervention? Sure, but that is fantasy. Are we going to run out of oil at some point in the future? Most likely. Should we ignore exploring better greener options for power and energy? Only at our own risk, there are many other countries who are far ahead of the US in these fields, and by not doing so, we are only spiting ourselves.
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Not Europe, but USA, Texas and California, what would wear the blades out ?
High speed collisions with eagles.
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I have a similar experience with being close to the town board...

A town not far from hear had a bearing go bad that drove everyone in ear shot out of their homes and into hotels. It squealed terrible for weeks. but the town had no recourse because they were too loose with the rules and regs.

So our town rules were locked down so tight it drove the Clipper company away.
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https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/gene...-dead-end.html

for some classic wind power arguments.
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I'm not sure when they started on it, it was going when I came back in 2011, but wasn't here in 2006. So yeah it is getting old. They just finished another one between Encino and Willard, not sure how many units they put in there.
I am wondering why they don't go with the Savonuis vertical rotor with the generator in the base. I saw some in Tehachipi Ca. years ago
Wind speed increases a lot with height, so the higher the better. vawt have a lot of oscillating forces by nature. Getting one up high enough to do any good would take a tower many times the size of a tower for a conventional turbine of a similar power capacity. As well as the stress of the forces on the blades and supports will break stuff in short order unless they are made huge/heavy/expensive.

Bottom line is VAWT look neat, but are even less practical than what you see now.
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High speed collisions with eagles.
You laugh, but that's kind of a sad deal. Lots of utubes of soaring eagles getting chopped up mid flight from a wind turbine.
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Damn, lots of hate for wind power

Besides, in places like Kansas and Wyoming, are you really ruining any "view" per se?
Kansas, no but Wyoming has some amazing views. And F wind power not a fan.
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