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Old 11-27-2018, 06:56 PM   #76 (permalink)
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I don't like these things, but I don't believe they can't be refurbished. And certainly don't believe 200 grand to remove. I don't understand the talk about concrete removal. Why would you remove that? It's not like it's going to fall on someone. I would think the concrete would make great foundation for barns. (Or better yet, workshops for projects)

If the county code requires the removal of the concrete, the landowner should have gotten that money garenteed.
because they're all in arable land. you don't build barns in the middle of fields, and you don't need a hundred of them
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I don't like these things, but I don't believe they can't be refurbished. And certainly don't believe 200 grand to remove. I don't understand the talk about concrete removal. Why would you remove that? It's not like it's going to fall on someone. I would think the concrete would make great foundation for barns. (Or better yet, workshops for projects)

If the county code requires the removal of the concrete, the landowner should have gotten that money garenteed.
Think of all the barns they could build....




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The problem with Wind Power is that the discussion is so tainted with politics its hard to look at it objectively. Solar included as well.

Wind power is not the be-all-end-all as far as power generation goes.
What a great example, right there in your own post. Can you quote even a single person ever saying that wind power is "the be-all-end-all", or any variation thereof?
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Old 11-27-2018, 09:35 PM   #80 (permalink)
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Europe is going to be fucked in a big way. They put all those farms in the ocean
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The city I live in was conned into putting a wind turbine up. Then it broke and the thing sat dormant for years, It runs a couple days a month now but not sure who paid for it to be repaired as this was the initial fight when it broke. I think they just let it spin once in a while, so they can say it runs.
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This fucking got me thinking (I know, that's rare)... But making concrete is a huge contributor to CO2 emissions; god knows steel is another. It would be a fucking hoot to find out that more CO2 is emitted in building a wind mill....
BTW: Fucking things are UGLY!
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I don't like these things, but I don't believe they can't be refurbished. And certainly don't believe 200 grand to remove. I don't understand the talk about concrete removal. Why would you remove that? It's not like it's going to fall on someone. I would think the concrete would make great foundation for barns. (Or better yet, workshops for projects)

If the county code requires the removal of the concrete, the landowner should have gotten that money garenteed.

Great idea. Round barns out in the middle of fields, placed like a drunk guy playing darts. 200 grand would be a deal.
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Old 11-28-2018, 04:30 AM   #84 (permalink)
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What a great example, right there in your own post. Can you quote even a single person ever saying that wind power is "the be-all-end-all", or any variation thereof?
Well Germany claimed that Wind and Solar are the be-all-end-all power source. So much so they tried to completely switch over to them. Only to have to turn their coal fired power plants back on. Have you heard of Germany? Little country in europe? Ahh, maybe you havent, its cool.

https://www.politico.eu/article/germ...e-than-sizzle/

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Again, im sorry about your retardation. Maybe let the adults talk?
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Well Germany claimed that Wind and Solar are the be-all-end-all power source. So much so they tried to completely switch over to them. Only to have to turn their coal fired power plants back on. Have you heard of Germany? Little country in europe? Ahh, maybe you havent, its cool.

https://www.politico.eu/article/germ...e-than-sizzle/



Again, im sorry about your retardation. Maybe let the adults talk?

How over complicated could Germans have made a fan? Dip shits can't even make enough power to run the ovens....
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200k to remove? I assume that includes digging out the base, and tipping fees for the base and blades. Still that seems like a lot of money.
How much concrete is in the base of one of those?
Amount of concrete depends on the type of base which depends on the soil type in the area, the norm is a spread footer base (think cow pattie with a hockey puck on top). That being said, the towers along the gulf coast have between 700 and a 1000 yards of concrete for a base, west Texas and the mid-west average 400 to 600 yards.

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I was fairly surprised they survived hurricane Harvey. I half expected to see some damage, but they looked fine after.


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What are all the greenies going to do when they find out the towers are actually causing warming by killing the winds. Ground temps will rise since there will be fewer cooling breezes. They might also change weather patterns causing flooding in front of the farms and drought on the back side of the wind machines. Illinois was shooting for 20,000 turbines taking about 18,000 acres of prime farm ground out of production. I guess food is nothing ot worry about?
I can't believe nobody talks about this. That wind is going somewhere and doing something, slowing it down with thousands of windmills can't be a good thing. It's effectively building a small mountain range where there used to be nothing, that could be a big deal.
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I can't believe nobody talks about this. That wind is going somewhere and doing something, slowing it down with thousands of windmills can't be a good thing. It's effectively building a small mountain range where there used to be nothing, that could be a big deal.
Like ,say, a city?
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I can't believe nobody talks about this. That wind is going somewhere and doing something, slowing it down with thousands of windmills can't be a good thing. It's effectively building a small mountain range where there used to be nothing, that could be a big deal.
They show up on the local weather radar. It looks like an area of light rain. The weatherman always says dont mind all that, thats from the wind farm.

This thread has reminded me of other things I hate about the wind farms. The oversize load drivers are assholes. They run an escort car a quarter mile ahead of them and the escort car will force other trucks off the road. I got forced off the road when I met one of the generators. I had half a dual off already and the escort guy pulled up in my way and said get further over. MotherFucker! Im heavy, if I get my other dual off on the shoulder and lay my truck over because its soft Im gonna slap your mother.

I try to be nice to heavy haulers but you and your escorts should do a better job of picking routes. If your truck is 25ft wide you should have roads closed or have an escort a few miles ahead to give other trucks a chance to find a place to pull over for you instead of forcing us off wherever you want.

Also the workers that put the towers up come to town and start fights at the bars and fuck all our local girls then leave.

Our babysitters husband works for thr windfarm on the maintenance side of things. They are from California but they are decent people. I dont even think they are liberals.
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very cool to see the guy working in the generator repair shop and this other guy talking about the gearbox in them
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Old 11-28-2018, 06:48 AM   #92 (permalink)
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Think of all the barns they could build....




Where I live there's more barns then that. They can also be foundations for houses, factories, whatever. Or they could just leave them be. There are rocks as big as that in the ground that nobody is removing.
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Amount of concrete depends on the type of base which depends on the soil type in the area, the norm is a spread footer base (think cow pattie with a hockey puck on top). That being said, the towers along the gulf coast have between 700 and a 1000 yards of concrete for a base, west Texas and the mid-west average 400 to 600 yards.

The generators have a MUCH greater service life than the transmission (steps up the rotor input shaft RPM to the generator input shaft, usually about 78:1). The stresses imposed in the input shaft beat the shit out of the transmission (think raving in your rig with an out of balance drive shaft) and cause seal/bearing failure which, in turn, causes massive lubricant leaks.

For the doubters: I worked for Blattner on the construction side and Mitsubishi on the operating side.
So at $100/yard they've got $50,000 just in concrete material cost.

Quick google search says the normal cost to install is around $3.5million for a 2MW capacity turbine. They seem to make about 25% of nameplate average, so that's 500kw average. Wind power is probably the least valuable power source so they probably get what for the power, $0.08/kwh? So that's $40/hr*24*365.25=$350k/year so roughly a 10 year payback period assuming no maintenance or annual expenses?

Investing the original $3.5M in some kind of low risk stock market based investment would give you around $175k per year in interest. In 10 years that would net 2.2M.

I guess the numbers kind of make sense for wind but not by much, very dependent on kwh cost for an interruptible powersource, which I'm guessing at $0.08.
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I don't like these things, but I don't believe they can't be refurbished. And certainly don't believe 200 grand to remove. I don't understand the talk about concrete removal. Why would you remove that? It's not like it's going to fall on someone. I would think the concrete would make great foundation for barns. (Or better yet, workshops for projects)

If the county code requires the removal of the concrete, the landowner should have gotten that money garenteed.
Obviously you're not a farmer. Crops don't do well on concrete, ground engaging implements hate it even more.
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I always see talk of wind and solar but why not more hydro? Plenty of rivers left to dam up

Build a dam across a large bay, let the tide fill it and make power letting it out. Sure it will not be constant but its a source.
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Obviously you're not a farmer. Crops don't do well on concrete, ground engaging implements hate it even more.
Their farming around them now. Why can't they continue farming around them. If there was a rock that big there, they would farm around it.

I know you're going to say "they didn't use to farm around that spot". So what, they got paid for giving up that area.
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The ones right up the road from you, in Taft, have 900 yard bases that measure close to 60' across at the bottom. I worked that project for about a month before being called back to the home office (Avon, MN) to do some training before my Colorado project started. Good times, good money, and a great company, really miss it sometimes.
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Obviously you're not a farmer. Crops don't do well on concrete, ground engaging implements hate it even more.
Makes life on crop dusters harder too. Blades will fuck up a plane just like they do condors
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Their farming around them now. Why can't they continue farming around them. If there was a rock that big there, they would farm around it.

I know you're going to say "they didn't use to farm around that spot". So what, they got paid for giving up that area.
No, they dig them the fuck out. Never heard of farmer dynamite? Fertilizer and diesel?

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Like ,say, a city?
Fair point, but no city has 200' structures for miles and miles (100+?) like these wind farms.
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