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Old 11-27-2018, 07:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Wind farms coming down already?

Still the future of energy @CrustyJeep? I know it's a linkslide and a biased article, fact is 20 years and the generators are done?

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When the federal government puts out their cost projections for energy, the numbers they produce are called the Levelized Cost of Energy, or LCOE. These numbers are supposed to act as a measuring stick that allows policymakers to determine which energy sources will best serve their needs, but these numbers are wrong because they assume all power plants, whether they are wind, coal, natural gas, or nuclear will have a 30-year payback period.

This does two things, it artificially reduces the cost of wind power by allowing them to spread their costs over 30 years, when 20 would be much more appropriate, and it artificially inflates the cost of coal, natural gas, and nuclear by not calculating the cost over the entirety of their reasonable lifetimes.
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Crooked data from the “clean air” side? No way!

Next you’re gonna tell me that the “climate change” crowd adjust their data to get their desired results.
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Couple big issues with wind mills:

#1 They only last, at most 20 years, then they are dead, with no way to refurbish.

#2 They cost way too much to demolish. So the power companies just leave them there.

#3 Generators die all the time prematurely with no way to replace. See #2.
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This is what I have been saying all along. They have came through and ruined out county with these things all over. When they die there will be farmers out there tearing them down with their tractors.
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When they die there will be farmers out there tearing them down with their tractors.
Take vid, upload to youtube, PROFIT.

Shit I might drive to KS to watch 'Ol McHillbilly pull some down.
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Couple big issues with wind mills:

#1 They only last, at most 20 years, then they are dead, with no way to refurbish.

#2 They cost way too much to demolish. So the power companies just leave them there.

#3 Generators die all the time prematurely with no way to replace. See #2.


All of this^^^^^^

I deal with several companies that install wind farms and the powerlines & substations that support them. I hear them tallk about the reliability of the generators all the time. Not in a good way either......

The land owners that get conned into leasing land to these wind farms are going to be in for a big surprise when the checks stop rolling in 10 years or so before they were supposed to stop, because the generators on their property gave up the ghost.

Sounds like windfarm demo & recycling is going to be a big business in the next 5-10 years.
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This is what I have been saying all along. They have came through and ruined out county with these things all over. When they die there will be farmers out there tearing them down with their tractors.
The tower sections will become the new jumbo-sized version of drill stem.

Lots of potential uses, culverts, pole barn poles, flag poles, tv antennas, hay bale feeders,....
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The tower sections will become the new jumbo-sized version of drill stem.

Lots of potential uses, culverts, pole barn poles, flag poles, tv antennas, hay bale feeders,....
Rope courses and zip lines!!!
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When they die there will be farmers out there tearing them down with their tractors.
Load the towers up with some tannerite and stand back a ways...
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Lots of potential uses, culverts, pole barn poles, flag poles, tv antennas, hay bale feeders,....
Biggest. Flag. Ever.
Can't wait to see it.

Edit. Maybe one of those used during half time performances during bowl games? How light would it need to be to fly and not just hang down at that size anyway?
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Old 11-27-2018, 08:56 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Couple big issues with wind mills:

#1 They only last, at most 20 years, then they are dead, with no way to refurbish.

#2 They cost way too much to demolish. So the power companies just leave them there.

#3 Generators die all the time prematurely with no way to replace. See #2.
Are you really this stupid?

1) "20 years at most" is funny, since "20 years at least" would be far more accurate. "No way to refurbish" is just hilarious.

2) You're posting in a thread about wind turbines being dismantled by the company that owns them.

3) "No way to replace" the generator? There is actually a market for used generators for the very turbines in the OP.

Did you just troll me with a chain letter or something?
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Still the future of energy @CrustyJeep?
I don't believe I've ever said anything like that
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There are a ton of them in our area. Pretty common sight to see oil leaking down the blades. Pretty much constant maintenance work going on also. That being said, more keep going up.


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Lots of potential uses, culverts, pole barn poles, flag poles, tv antennas, hay bale feeders,....
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I am not a proponent of these things but I don't see the main elements wearing out anytime soon, or forever. The foundation, the tower, the blades, the turbine main parts. Article has some good points but is click bait bullshit. Linkslide fail
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Rope courses and zip lines!!!
Just had another idea... how big can potatoes get? Might take a few cans of hair spray but it would sure be worth it if it worked.
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I was on a zoning board in Champaing county and we had to write the ordianace for wind farms as they would have been prohibited with a new law. Most of the other counties in the state were bascially passing low that said come on in and do what you want. We will give you a permit. Our board however actually did the work and wrote a good ordiance that included gaurentees that the companies that put them up had to take them down. The wind companies fought this hard claiming the cost of the materials would pay for the takedown. When we finally got their data on scrap they had massively inflated recycle prices and claimed $50k for a used generator. We got the ordiance we wanted and after 6 years only 30 towers have been put up in the county and they were part of a 300 tower farm that "spilled" over into champaign county that were the original petitiioners that wanted the ordinance . All through the hearings the comapies would lie about data and drag their feet answering questions. One of the questions it took months to get and answer for was how much actual output they expected to get for a tower and it came back to around 25% of the rating on the generator. The press releases touted something like a 600 MW farm where in reality it was expected to produce only 150 MW.


Driving across Illinois you see these towers everywhere and there are several dead towers in every farm. They could fix the dead generators but it cost too much as they dont get subsides to fix the generators and only receive the litlle amount of power they produce and the producion tax credit. This was another thing we put into our ordiance was that a wind farm company must fix broken turbines within a certian time frame.


When I dug into was actually building these things, guess what? It was a Russian living in Chicago that had close ties to powerful democrats like Dick Durban and Obama. The owner and officers funneled huge amounts of money to these politicians.

In the midwest these wind farms are built not for energy but to launder public funds into the democrats and to buy the farm vote since most of the towers were placed on farm ground leased from farmers.

Now Illinois and Champaign county are doing the same thing with solar farms which is even worse in production then wind power is.

These things are an eyesore and a total boondoggle.

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Are you really this stupid?

1) "20 years at most" is funny, since "20 years at least" would be far more accurate. "No way to refurbish" is just hilarious.

2) You're posting in a thread about wind turbines being dismantled by the company that owns them.

3) "No way to replace" the generator? There is actually a market for used generators for the very turbines in the OP.

Did you just troll me with a chain letter or something?
Im sorry that you are retarded.

https://www.energycentral.com/news/r...ons-nobody-has

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The life span of a wind turbine, power companies say, is between 20 and 25 years. But in Europe, with a much longer history of wind power generation, the life of a turbine appears to be somewhat less.

"We don't know with certainty the life spans of current turbines," said Lisa Linowes, executive director of WindAction Group, a nonprofit which studies landowner rights and the impact of the wind energy industry. Its funding, according to its website, comes from environmentalists, energy experts and public donations and not the fossil fuel industry.

Linowes said most of the wind turbines operating within the United States have been put in place within the past 10 years. In Texas, most have become operational since 2005.

"So we're coming in on 10 years of life and we're seeing blades need to be replaced, cells need to be replaced, so it's unlikely they're going to get 20 years out of these turbines," she said.

Estimates put the tear-down cost of a single modern wind turbine, which can rise from 250 to 500 feet above the ground, at $200,000.

With more than 50,000 wind turbines spinning in the United States, decommissioning costs are estimated at around $10 billion.

In Texas, there are approximately 12,000 turbines operational in the state. Decommissioning these turbines could cost as much as $2.3 billion.

Which means landowners and counties in Texas could be on the hook for tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars if officials determine non-functional wind turbines need to be removed.

Or if that proves to be too costly, as seems likely, some areas of the state could become post-apocalyptic wastelands steepled with teetering and fallen wind turbines, locked in a rigor mortis of obsolescence.
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It was cute to have a few of these windmills on the horizon when you drive across west texas. But, I think people are realizing how many windmills we'd need to replace oil. That answer is roughly 4 million. There would literally be windmills everywhere.

Suddenly that 40ft oil pumpjack doesn't look too bad, does it?
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Are you really this stupid?

1) "20 years at most" is funny, since "20 years at least" would be far more accurate. "No way to refurbish" is just hilarious.

2) You're posting in a thread about wind turbines being dismantled by the company that owns them.

3) "No way to replace" the generator? There is actually a market for used generators for the very turbines in the OP.

Did you just troll me with a chain letter or something?

i would imagine its very expensive to replace a generator

big ol heavy generator about 100' up in the air on a stick = expensive crane for 2 days in high wind areas
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200k to remove? I assume that includes digging out the base, and tipping fees for the base and blades. Still that seems like a lot of money.
How much concrete is in the base of one of those?
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Its not just crane rental, many of these farms are in rural area's with low quality roads that have to be repaired after hauling a crane that is big enough to handle the job. These cranes are also so big and heavy they crush drainage sytems in fields that have to be repaired. There are permists and hireing companies to actually do the repairs. Many of the farms are sold just after they are built to power companies that are mandated to have renewable power souces if they are available. The wind farm developers take all the subsidy money up front and really inflate the development costs so they can maximize the amount of public funds they get. Once sold to the utilities the customers of the utilites are on the hook for maintaing the farms.
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There is about 800 yards of concrete in one of the bases. Wind farm companies claim that you can recycle the concrete and sell it for base to recoup the cost. This is more bs they use when they propose a farm. In Champaign county they were only actually required to remove the concrete 4' below grade.
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