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Old 12-22-2018, 07:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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THE GREAT DUCK DINNER

The story is told of a New England farmer with a small pond in his pasture. Each summer, a group of wild ducks would frequent that pond but, try as he would, the farmer could never catch one. No matter how early in the morning he approached, or how carefully he constructed a blind, or what kind of duck call he tried, somehow those crafty birds sensed the danger and managed to be out of range. Of course, when fall arrived, the ducks headed South, and the farmer’s craving for a duck dinner only intensified.

Then he got an idea. Early in the spring, he started scattering corn along the edge of the pond. The ducks liked the corn and, since it was always there, they soon gave up dipping and foraging for food of their own. After a while, they became used to the farmer and began to trust him. They could see he was their benefactor and they now walked close to him with no sense of fear. Life was so easy, they forgot how to fly. But that was unimportant, because they were now so fat they couldn’t have gotten off the water even if they had tried.

Fall came, and the ducks stayed. Winter came and the pond froze. The farmer built a shelter to keep them warm. The ducks were happy because they didn’t have to fly. And the farmer was especially happy because, each week all winter long, he had a delicious duck dinner.

FARMERS BECOME DUCK DINNER

During the war, prices for agricultural products rose to an all-time high, and so did profits. Farmers had put part of that money into war bonds, but much of it had been placed into savings accounts at banks within the farming communities, which is to say, mostly in the Midwest and South. That was unacceptable to the New York banks which saw their share of the nation's deposits begin to decline. A way had to be devised to reclaim that money. The Federal Reserve System , which by then was a captive of the New York banks, was pressed into service to accomplish the deed.

Few of those country banks had chosen to become members of the Federal Reserve System That added insult to injury, and it also provided an excuse to the Fed to wage economic war against them. The plan was neither complex nor original; it had been used many time before by central bankers. It was (1) extend easy credit to the farmers to lure them into heavy debt, and then (2) create a recession which would decrease their income to the point where they could not make the payments. The country banks then would find themselves holding non-performing loans and foreclosed property which they could not sell without tremendous losses. In the end , both the farmers and the banks would be wiped out. The banks were the target. Too bad about the farmers.

The contraction of credit had a disastrous effect on the nation as a whole. Not just the farmers. But the farmers were the more deeply involved, because the recently created Federal Farm Loan Board had lured them with easy credit (like ducks at the pond) into extreme debt ratios. Furthermore, the large city banks which were members of the System were given support by the Fed during the summer of 1920 to enable them to extend credit to manufactures and merchants. That allowed many of them to ride out the slump. there was no such support for the farmers for the country banks which, by 1921, were falling like dominoes. History books refer to this event as the Agricultural depression of 1920-21. A better name would have been Country-Duck Dinner in New York.
Congressman Charles Lindbergh, Sr., father of the man who made the world's first solo transatlantic flight, explained it this way:
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The details of how this panic was created where explained in 1939 by Senator Robert Owen, Chairman of the Senate Banking and Currency Committee. Owen, a banker himself, had been a co-author of the Federal Reserve Act, a role he later regretted.

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The farmers were exceedingly prosperous. They were paying off their Mortgages. They had bought a lot of new land. At the instance of the government - had borrowed money to do it - and then they were bankrupt by a sudden contraction of credit and currency, which took place in 1920.

The Federal Reserve Board met in a meeting which was not disclosed to the public - they met on the 18th of May 1920: it was a secret meeting - and they spent all day: the minutes made 60 printed pages, and it appears in Senate Document 310 of February 10, 1923 ... Under action taken by the Reserve Board on May 18, 1920, There resulted a violent contraction of credit... this contraction of credit and currency had the effect, the next year, of diminishing the national production $13,000,000,000: it had the effect of throwing millions of people out of employment; it had the effect of reducing the value of the land and ranches $20,000,000,000.

Hope you all have enjoyed the past 10 years of free corn, you fat ducks.

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I heard the fed reserve was raising rates like .25 %, beyond that what am I missing?
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I heard the fed reserve was raising rates like .25 %, beyond that what am I missing?
The Fed is contracting the money supply with debt loads at all time highs again. We're headed for Stagflation. The interest rate is not nearly as important as the supply of credit available. The good times that quantitative easing brought with it are over.

quantitative-easing
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/q...ive-easing.asp

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So the economy is doing okay, people are borrowing (probably more than they should), and the .Gov wants to make sure it doesn't get out of control?

I.e. money easily borrowed may not be easily repayed....

Edit, I usually pay most attention to my financial situation, but try to keep an eye on the housing markets. Business I'm in....
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People doing sub prime loans again point to something stupid is about to happen again.


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So I should buy shit now on credit, got it and thanks for the tip.
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So it's time to buy a new truck on a 72 month note?

The salesman said he could get my payment down to $500 a month.
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So it's time to buy a new truck on a 72 month note?

The salesman said he could get my payment down to $500 a month.
Yeah, a .25% increase in the rate will work out to appx. $250 increase per year in what you pay. Hardly something that would bankrupt most people.

Also, I see this as just another thread about the "ultimate boogey man" the Fed.
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Also, I see this as just another thread about the "ultimate boogey man" the Fed.
Real questions:

How much research have you actually done on the fed, central banking, fractional reserve system, the Federal Reserve Act, the IMF, CFR or the fiat banking system? Do you feel you're well educated on the subject? Do you know the history and the mechanics of the system?

Is it perhaps possible that banking monopoly put us on a system of funny money which has allowed the expansion of one of the largest imperial expansions in world history at the cost of foreign and domestic tax of labor all disguised as national defense and peace? Is it possible that a money trust was created to control the macro flows of funding with the goal of making markets? Is it possible that the leaders we look up to have ulterior motives that do not have our best interests at heart?
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I don’t know what’s going on in here. I don’t eat duck or want to finance something for 8 years.
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Real questions:

How much research have you actually done on the fed, central banking, fractional reserve system, the Federal Reserve Act, the IMF, CFR or the fiat banking system? Do you feel you're well educated on the subject? Do you know the history and the mechanics of the system?

Is it perhaps possible that banking monopoly put us on a system of funny money which has allowed the expansion of one of the largest imperial expansions in world history at the cost of foreign and domestic tax of labor all disguised as national defense and peace? Is it possible that a money trust was created to control the macro flows of funding with the goal of making markets? Is it possible that the leaders we look up to have ulterior motives that do not have our best interests at heart?
We went off the gold standard almost 60 years after the Fed as established, so that's irrelevant. We also had numerous "financial panics" before and after the Fed was established. A central bank is on the whole a good thing. I don't subscribe to all the "conspiracy theories" about the Fed as I see them as nothing other than blaming some agency for the normal economic swings. IMO the Fed has done a fair job of easing the effects of recessions and slowing down an over heated economy. Without them the "peaks & valleys" would be much worse.
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We went off the gold standard almost 60 years after the Fed as established, so that's irrelevant. We also had numerous "financial panics" before and after the Fed was established. A central bank is on the whole a good thing. I don't subscribe to all the "conspiracy theories" about the Fed as I see them as nothing other than blaming some agency for the normal economic swings. IMO the Fed has done a fair job of easing the effects of recessions and slowing down an over heated economy. Without them the "peaks & valleys" would be much worse.
Man, I get that. I guess I feel like I went down the rabbit hole of Conspiracy Theory and made it back to reality. Look, I am well aware that I have been the source of misinformation here in the past. But you really are missing a huge chunk of how this all plays into geo-politics and our own pacification and exploitation. I'd happly supply sources if you were inclined to reference them. However, this might take a good while and I doubt you would be willing to indulge yourself.
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Man, I get that. I guess I feel like I went down the rabbit hole of Conspiracy Theory and made it back to my own reality. Look, I'm now shacked up with a horse lady. Obviously I'm mentally deficient, bordering on window licker.
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The Fed is contracting the money supply with debt loads at all time highs again. We're headed for Stagflation. The interest rate is not nearly as important as the supply of credit available. The good times that quantitative easing brought with it are over.

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https://www.investopedia.com/terms/q...ive-easing.asp

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https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t...tarypolicy.asp
So the Fed finally sucking it up (about 6 years late in my opinion) and ending the party is the end of the world? Keynesian economics ain't for the pussys we are willing to elect.

People being dumb and willingly taking on way to much debt for years is going to have consequences. I wish I could be more upset about it but really did nothing but cause ridiculous valuations of goods to flourish.
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So the Fed finally sucking it up (about 6 years late in my opinion) and ending the party is the end of the world? Keynesian economics ain't for the pussys we are willing to elect.

Not the end of the world. More like those who are ignorant to their own burdens will get hurt. Those who are lean and resourceful will prevail.

People being dumb and willingly taking on way to much debt for years is going to have consequences. I wish I could be more upset about it but really did nothing but cause ridiculous valuations of goods to flourish.
I think it did more than just lead to unreasonable valuations. It has set up a market that is ripe for picking up cheap assets at the cost of peoples life work on the down trend.
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I just heard a good quote by Stacy Herbert

He starts out talking about economics taught in Ivy League schools. Before going into the fact that none of these experts in finance ever talk the definition of money.
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"The Nobel Prize is really the Nobel Prize of Neoliberal economics. And what they define as Economic Science is having a mathematical solution where the solution has everything end up in balance and stability. The stability they envision is everybody essentially forfeiting all of their property to the creditors and ending up in feudalism. And that is the only kind of stability you can have under the current economic trends."
Then he quotes Paul Krugman on the question of do banks create money or not? He said:
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"No, they only loan out peoples savings"
Steve Keen, the host, said
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"Loans create deposit. Banks create their money and what they create is debt. And people think they have money and what they're really holding is debt."
I guess it comes down to how you feel about a non-elected organization who has a neoliberal socialist education controlling our metric of work in a superficial, manipulated way. It's as if they are trying to collect all property and pacify any resistance while sanctimoniously ruling the mechanics of production. What is slavery? Is socialism slavery? Are we already socialist? Or is this really what capitalism looks like? Are we under the influence of propaganda reaching back 4 generations?
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Ohhhhhhh, you're one of those!

It all makes sense!

Not even original.

You're not even aware that you don't have a single original thought on the subject.

In the IT world, you have a feared analog. Basically a User that is smart enough to cause real problems.

You can keep the less-smart ones out of trouble. You can convince the very smart ones of the wisdom of deferring to you.

But that middle-ground smart user. Smart enough to cause mischief, dumb enough to double down and make it actually bad.

You make sense now!
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I just heard a good quote by Stacy Herbert

He starts out talking about economics taught in Ivy League schools. Before going into the fact that none of these experts in finance ever talk the definition of money.


Then he quotes Paul Krugman on the question of do banks create money or not? He said:

Steve Keen, the host, said


I guess it comes down to how you feel about a non-elected organization who has a neoliberal socialist education controlling our metric of work in a superficial, manipulated way. It's as if they are trying to collect all property and pacify any resistance while sanctimoniously ruling the mechanics of production. What is slavery? Is socialism slavery? Are we already socialist? Or is this really what capitalism looks like? Are we under the influence of propaganda reaching back 4 generations?
To me what your above posts translates to is...……………………………………..


"There's a grand conspiracy of the bankers of the world to financially enslave the world's populace and enrich themselves in the process".



Very much reminds me of the International Jewish banking conspiracy that was used to vilify the Jews. Same old shit, just a different target.
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My conspiracy theory is the feds only raised the rates under Obama once to artificially prop up his economic numbers and they have raised the rates 6 times under Trump trying to drive his economic numbers down.
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My conspiracy theory is the feds only raised the rates under Obama once to artificially prop up his economic numbers and they have raised the rates 6 times under Trump trying to drive his economic numbers down.
That is not a theory...that is what has occured. The rates under Obama were ridiculously low, on purpose.
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That is not a theory...that is what has occured. The rates under Obama were ridiculously low, on purpose.
Yup, and it was to encourage lending and spur the economy, which was in the toilet. Once the economy recovered the Fed started to slowly raise rates tp tamp down inflation and keep it within reason. They started doing that in 2015.
Even as the Fed has raised rates the economy has basically continued to grow.
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My conspiracy theory is the feds only raised the rates under Obama once to artificially prop up his economic numbers and they have raised the rates 6 times under Trump trying to drive his economic numbers down.
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That is not a theory...that is what has occured. The rates under Obama were ridiculously low, on purpose.
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Yup, and it was to encourage lending and spur the economy, which was in the toilet. Once the economy recovered the Fed started to slowly raise rates tp tamp down inflation and keep it within reason. They started doing that in 2015.
Even as the Fed has raised rates the economy has basically continued to grow.
I got an economic CT for ya:

Trump and his trade talk with China are to give the US system time to disengage from the good People's Republic. And the Grandees, our Lords and Barons, have been informed of the disengagement.

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This was non-paywalled before, but you get the idea.

Jeff Bezos has repeatedly predicted the end of Amazon.

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Amazon makes the bulk of its profit from AWS now, but it was all founded and is still 'underwritten' by zero-profit revenue made on pipelining plastic shit from Slaveland. Bezos knows the reckoning is coming. Who is the largest customer of AWS? The US Federal Government.

Google employees have been getting restive about China.

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Google Employees Protest Secret Work on Censored Search Engine for China
https://www.washingtonpost.com/techn...ine-dragonfly/

This is the Virtue Signalling that they admit to. Internally it has been reported that several key project managers will NOT work on several PRC projects, including a version of face recognition and geographic placement for the Chinese government.

Speaking of facial recognition, Amazon, again, has pioneered Rekog software (I have extensive development experience with this particular animal) which closely analogs China's own home-grown recognition software:

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Amazon Employees Protesting Sale of Facial Recognition Software
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Again, Soy-based Amazon employees are protesting its use by the USG, but I happen to know for a fact that the originator of that petition is primarily concerned about off-shore use of the software in places without 'watchdog' institutions like the ACLU and American court system, in specific, China.

The Nation Formerly Known As Chimerica is coming down, and there will be widespread economic disruption.

Throw that into the mix with dirt-cheap oil:

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I heard tell the Permian has 2 T-T-Trillion barrels of exploitable oil. Trillion with a T. Now, everyone that watches oil, which I don't, knows there is more US exploitable oil than is being reported. It is not the presence of the oil, it is how it is reported that determines the price. And someone let it be known that we have DOUBLE our already dirt-cheap exploitable reserves. :thinkingemoji:

And you have a recipe for widespread, profound, and transformative economic change.

I don't know if it will be a disaster, boom, mixture, nothing... but it will change. Those claiming they do know if it's a boom, bust, or fart are selling you something, of course.

Anyhoo, this is how news concerning National Security is leaked. It is the shift toward economic isolation that Peter Zeihan talks about. This is pat-standard how the US signals a broad economic and strategic shift and has been since before WWII.

I'd say within 10 years we will be in a 'Hot Cold War' with China, we already are at war with them. They're shitting their pants, too. Their online shill and Agitprop campaigns have shifted into purple-zone overload. Fun!

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