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Old 02-26-2019, 10:04 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Auto Painters. Need some advice~

So I have this little Toy Van I have prepped for paint...

https://www.toyotavantech.com/forum/...p;d=1551151617

Temps here are rather cool lately, in the high 40's at best... BUT, this weekend we are gonna see some high 50's temps for a few days.

When is it still to cold to paint? I am gonna shoot it with a single stage Acrylic Urethane... I can prolly get the temp in the garage up to about 65 or so, but also need to vent when I start spraying so the temp will prolly drop down again to the high 50's or so. The next warm spell won't be for another month or so I am guessing, and even then it will only top out to the mid 60's I bet.

I can heat the shop to about 70 when I am done spraying and keep it cozy to help cure.

Is high 50's still to cold to shoot it and have it not sag and run all over?

Want to get this thing on the road and start camping!
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Too cold.

It's a painter's bane to not want to wait.


Wait.
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Too cold.

It's a painter's bane to not want to wait.


Wait.
OK, Avocado then.

Will wait for a 65+ degree day.... ya fuckin killjoy.
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I painted my boat last weekend using single stage acrylic with a fast reducer. It was 20* outside, 52* inside the garage. With the fast reducer by the time I finished spraying the second side the first side was already tacky. With paint drying that fast runs aren’t much of an issue but gloss can be so you’ll need to use heavier wet coats...or clear it.
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How much do you care about it?

If you will be pissed if it isn't Chip Foose perfect then wait. If you don't care if it looks like a tractor, paint it.
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Old 02-26-2019, 10:19 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I painted my boat last weekend using single stage acrylic with a fast reducer. It was 20* outside, 52* inside the garage. With the fast reducer by the time I finished spraying the second side the first side was already tacky. With paint drying that fast runs aren’t much of an issue but gloss can be so you’ll need to use heavier wet coats...or clear it.
Just single stage... no clear coat for me. The paint is a gloss, but it's Toyota beige old school single stage Acrylic with a urethane hardener, I think it's a 4 to 1 ratio but I would need to look at the spec sheet again.

I have always painted late in Spring when the temps were in the low to mid 70's. It isn't a show car, but I really don't want sags and runs to have to re-do.

I just know if I crank the heat to like 70, by the time I am done spraying it will be back down to like 57* again... Might be a bit to much on the cool side.
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I have used the single stage system in the past with good results, but it was 20 degrees warmer.

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Can you heat the inside of the vehicle so that the metal is warm when the paint hits it ?

I would think that some sunshine and that easy paint with warm-ish metal would be okay enough and a step better than what you were probably about to do anyway .
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Can you heat the inside of the vehicle so that the metal is warm when the paint hits it ?

I would think that some sunshine and that easy paint with warm-ish metal would be okay enough and a step better than what you were probably about to do anyway .
I thought about that... I have a Big Buddy heater that puts out 18k BTU I could put inside... but I don't like mixing solvents and open flame... even though I know it would be inside the van.

I really want to lay down the paint so I can cruise the little beast... but may have to wait.
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I've used a good resperator in the past when painting in the winter and I just keept the garage shut. New cartridges work awesome. I did it with used cartridges that I could smell had broken through half way through the job and math has been a little harder since then.
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I've used a good resperator in the past when painting in the winter and I just keept the garage shut. New cartridges work awesome. I did it with used cartridges that I could smell had broken through half way through the job and math has been a little harder since then.
Isocyanites have a tendency to fawk you up yo.

I have a full face with organic vapor/ particulate filters I use inside or outside, along with nitrile for my hands and a full suit so paint won't leech...

Ever meet a guy that huffs gold paint in the Ace parking lot? I have... fawk that!
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If you run any heaters they will cause every spec of everything to become airborne and then you get that wonderful micro-aggregate look in your work.
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Isocyanites have a tendency to fawk you up yo.

I have a full face with organic vapor/ particulate filters I use inside or outside, along with nitrile for my hands and a full suit so paint won't leech...

Ever meet a guy that huffs gold paint in the Ace parking lot? I have... fawk that!

I saw this Mexican kid stumbling in an alley once, paper bag in his hand, silver ring around his mouth. Disgusting. Maybe it was gregj50
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I thought about that... I have a Big Buddy heater that puts out 18k BTU I could put inside... but I don't like mixing solvents and open flame

Heat until dash starts to melt, then turn off ?

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If you run any heaters they will cause every spec of everything to become airborne and then you get that wonderful micro-aggregate look in your work.
I was under the impression (because I was doing this in my head) he was painting it outdoors where that wouldn't matter much, less stuff to fall in your paint outdoors when skies are bugless .

Maybe with car outside, heat interior, turn off heater, paint, push back in heated garage, drink ?




A buddy of mine used to paint cars at his country place on the regular, old half ass barn was full of sawdust and spiders, painting inside was out of the question, he would wait until it rained, then when the skies opened and the sun came out he would push the car out and shoot it .

Bug and dust free, cheapest paint booth ever .
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Doesnt it say on the can?

Back to your corner Sceep… this ain't your average ford crown vic with interceptor shizzle and whatnot.

No... it's a fabulous old skool Toyota van man! complete with tinted glass- minus the "free puppies" sign your accustomed to.
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I had to repaint an entire ECLB 2nd Gen Dodge due to heating the inside of the shop with a torpedo heater (contaminated the air). I vote wait.
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I had to repaint an entire ECLB 2nd Gen Dodge due to heating the inside of the shop with a torpedo heater (contaminated the air). I vote wait.
I usually put up some plastic walls around the vehicle with a particulate filter and fans under the garage door to vent...

With the outside temp at 51 today the inside garage temp stuck at 60.

This Friday is supposed to be around 57 degrees... so I am guessing the garage will stay around 60+.

I'm gonna try it and see.

If it was base and clear I'd be a bit more picky... but with a single stage Acrylic Urethane I think it should be fine. Worse case scenario I will have to lay on 4 or 5 lighter coats with an extended flash time in between. Usually it's a medium coat with a couple more slightly heavier coats to follow up on a 70+ degree day.

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I'm gonna try it and see.


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I had to repaint an entire ECLB 2nd Gen Dodge due to heating the inside of the shop with a torpedo heater (contaminated the air). I vote wait.
Interesting. From the Kero vapors or particulate?
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Interesting. From the Kero vapors or particulate?


Vapors. That’s the only thing I can come up with. I’ve used the exact same process and products half a dozen times before, sans torpedo heater, and they’re all still perfect nearly 10 years later. The Dodge with the torpedo heater showed issues within the first year (winter).
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I paint. Every day. Yes, temp is important. The key is "surface temp", not air temp.
Have one of these on hand. Essential. Measure surface temp and paint temp. 70+ on everything.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Crank your "booth" and thus vehicle up as high as possible. It may take 5+ hours. 80f+. Heat soak is your friend.

Cold paint (60f) will be like syrup. Hot paint (80f)+ will be like milk and spray way better. Rough analogy, but you get the idea. A quick way to bring you paint up to temp is to put it into a hot tub of (120+) water. Hardener also. Get it to 90f. Then mix.

Prep is the key. Have everything ready. Tack it off while you bring the temp up. The first coat is the one that bonds. This is the one that matters. Nice even dusting just before it goes semi gloss. Get this on and then you open the door and turn on the fan.

Now it goes fast.

Second coat, lay down a semi wet coat all around.

With 4/1 single stage urethane, the third coat is where you set it. Hit all of your inside corners smooth and then finish off the flats.

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i would paint it
i painted jeep last winter in my non insulated shop with woodstove

can you mask portion of garage with plastic? to keep the heat in ? thats what i did

you'll be fine if you can get the car warm for while and get the heat soaked in, same with paint
leave it in house till you ready to ready to shoot

turn of heaters , spray , open the door let the fumes out somehow and kick the heaters on again
it shouldnt take long to get the temp back up and let the paint cure
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