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Old 02-28-2019, 07:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
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the speeding thread got me thinking about my last radar detector. i bought an escort and less than a hour later it told me exactly when i was busted speeding. the officer just hit me with an instant on set up. i wasn't paying attention or i would have seen him right in the middle of the road. so 88 mph ticket later i end up doing defensive driving. the only good part is i did on my phone while i was at work. 105 bucks and done.
so are the valentines really worth the money?
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The value in a radar detector is that it never stops paying attention and isn't blinded by darkness or weather. If the cop is parked somewhere non-obvious with his radar on at night the radar detector will let you see him and dial back your driving before his radar sees you. Don't think of it as a silver bullet. Think of it as a little box that improves your situational awareness. I wouldn't spend more than $60 on one.


If the cop is running an actual speed trap using a gun instead of the detector in his cruiser and only picking out fast cars and you're going fast you're fucked no matter what.

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I don't know about a valentine. But my dad has a high dollar Eacort that works handsomely. I've used it on a few 10 hour drives and it never seems to miss a road pirate. It also has gps built in so it will tell you about traffic cameras also.
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How much are they using radar? I thought it was mostly laser now, but maybe that is something i just heard.
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i bought an escort and less than a hour later it told me exactly when i was busted speeding.
Sounds like she's classy?
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How much are they using radar? I thought it was mostly laser now, but maybe that is something i just heard.
Actual speed traps are a toss up between laser and radar depending on how well funded the department is.

Most departments don't spend much time running speed traps though. Cruisers have radar in them that tells them the speed of traffic in front and coming the opposite direction as them. A lot of the time you see a cop parked on the side of the road they're sitting there with the radar on and it tells them the speed of every car that goes by. Some models can be set to alert over a certain speed. The range is far less than a gun but it's so stupidly easy to do it this way that that's what a lot of departments do. Even cheap detectors will let you know in advance of this kind of speed trap (I would know, I have one).

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Actual speed traps are a toss up between laser and radar depending on how well funded the department is.

Most departments don't spend much time running speed traps though. Cruisers have radar in them that tells them the speed of traffic in front and coming the opposite direction as them. A lot of the time you see a cop parked on the side of the road they're sitting there with the radar on and it tells them the speed of every car that goes by. Some models can be set to alert over a certain speed. The range is far less than a gun but it's so stupidly easy to do it this way that that's what a lot of departments do. Even cheap detectors will let you know in advance of this kind of speed trap (I would know, I have one).
Pretty sure that's what our DPS is using still, as every last one of them parks in the same spots around curves where as soon as the car comes into view, they've got a read. The benefit here, is no radar detector needed, once you've learned the road, you know to slow down before that overpass etc. because there's not another good position for them for the next 4 miles.

That does not help long distance travelers unfortunately. And if they set it up right, your detector will only tell you the second they already have your speed.

When I lived south of Austin I traveled I35 every day, and often into the city. Again, the cops set up their laser op in the same places, just about every time. Two guys up top on the bridges tagging cars and radioing to the 2-3 cruisers or bikes parked on the opposite side of the bridge out of sight. I don't know if they still do, but back then the city would actually tell people via radio station programming when they were running speed traps, but they still kept busy. I guess a lot of folks didn't think morning radio was worthwhile.

In a nutshell, as long as it's radar, and traces are bouncing back to you at a much further point than the target spot, I've found the detectors somewhat useful if you don't know the area. But I'd still never speed more than 10 over the limit these days. It's just easier to leave early and set the cruise at limit +5. Even if just a few mph over it gives you a quick moment to reduce speed which may put the focus on the guy who's also speeding next to you.
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so 88 mph ticket later i end up doing defensive driving. the only good part is i did on my phone while i was at work.

Is there a reason you couldn't just go back in time and fix it ?



Would have had a lot more respect for you if you had done your defensive driving course on your phone, while driving, and speeding, bonus points for inclement weather .
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I remember for many years, the valentine-1 being the best model you could get..
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Obviously if you're the only car on the road then a radar detector isn't going to help much in the "instant-on" situations, no matter what kind it is.

If there's other traffic, then the detector typically will catch errant radar from the people in front of you getting tagged with the instant-on scans. That's where the advantage comes from.
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I use Waze on most long trips and when we do One Lap of America. Mainly for traffic alerts and the occasional cop

Not a huge speeder after too many on the motorcycle years ago and losing my license for 6 months. Used to have an Escort with a wireless indicator in my helmet and it was almost always too late.
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I did a lot of long distance motorcycle riding with a Valentine. It works and it is good entertainment. My feeling is if you are going to constantly run 15-20 mph over the speed limit, you will eventually get caught. You can run 7 over and not have to worry about it. The best use for my radar detector was off the interstate. The speed limits constantly change coming into the towns along the way - 55 to 45 to 35 and sometimes to 25. With the radar detector, I felt comfortable running highway speeds deep into town.


The instant on radars, including lasers, are death to speeders. The best you can hope for is to pick up some splatter when they hit the guy in front of you. That leads us to the Golden Rule - do NOT be the leader of the pack.
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I did a lot of long distance motorcycle riding with a Valentine. It works and it is good entertainment. My feeling is if you are going to constantly run 15-20 mph over the speed limit, you will eventually get caught. You can run 7 over and not have to worry about it. The best use for my radar detector was off the interstate. The speed limits constantly change coming into the towns along the way - 55 to 45 to 35 and sometimes to 25. With the radar detector, I felt comfortable running highway speeds deep into town.



The instant on radars, including lasers, are death to speeders. The best you can hope for is to pick up some splatter when they hit the guy in front of you. That leads us to the Golden Rule - do NOT be the leader of the pack.
I was riding home late one night and only one other car was on the highway that I was overtaking. We were both at least 15 over, me probably 20 or 25. I moved the bike to put myself diagonally across from the approaching cop and slowed speed, using the other guy as a shield. It worked and the cop nailed him for doing less than I was.

Moral to the story is don't be the guy in the back either.
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the speeding thread got me thinking about my last radar detector. i bought an escort and less than a hour later it told me exactly when i was busted speeding. the officer just hit me with an instant on set up. i wasn't paying attention or i would have seen him right in the middle of the road. so 88 mph ticket later i end up doing defensive driving. the only good part is i did on my phone while i was at work. 105 bucks and done.
so are the valentines really worth the money?
I have one, never had a ticket. The detector is that, a detector, not a shield. I bought it because of the arrows, now others do. It was very useful in NY where the Cops would pull up behind me, see my out of state plates, get off the highway and then 30 seconds later come flying up on me with radar on stun. It also works great with bogey counts. The highest I seen was around 20! No shit, I thought it was broke. There was about 20 plus motorcycle Cops working my neighborhood in the N. Mountain Preserve of Phoenix. It's a tool you have to familiarize yourself with and it will do it's job if you do yours, most of the time. Instant on is hard to not get caught with, but the detector will warn you long in advance to slow the fuck down if you pay attention to it. They work, just learn how to use it.
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so are the valentines really worth the money?
Yes, that ticket I got out near Mojave was more than the cost of the V1.


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I have one, never had a ticket. The detector is that, a detector, not a shield. I bought it because of the arrows, now others do. It was very useful in NY where the Cops would pull up behind me, see my out of state plates, get off the highway and then 30 seconds later come flying up on me with radar on stun. It also works great with bogey counts. The highest I seen was around 20! No shit, I thought it was broke. There was about 20 plus motorcycle Cops working my neighborhood in the N. Mountain Preserve of Phoenix. It's a tool you have to familiarize yourself with and it will do it's job if you do yours, most of the time. Instant on is hard to not get caught with, but the detector will warn you long in advance to slow the fuck down if you pay attention to it. They work, just learn how to use it.
Exactly.

Arrows are pretty easy to figure out, up is in front of you, down is behind you, sides are you are passing a source.

The bogey counter is easy as well, it lets you know if you see a cop on the side of the road busy with someone you may not be out of the woods if the counter shows two or more.

The signal strength meter combined with the arrows and bogey counter is where the V1 shines. Arrow up, bogey counter 1 and a couple LEDs means it's a ways a ahead (assuming unobstructed road). If the signal strength meter gets stronger slowly then it's probably stationary, if it stays the same it's moving in your same direction, if it gets stronger quickly then it's coming at you.

It also has a two stage volume control for the beeps. I have it set to signal the first beep loud then the remaining beeps to be much softer so it doesn't annoy me, and if you want to mute the current bogey you just press the volume button.

It's a really well engineered piece of kit.
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I have a valentine 1 and have been smacked by instant on a couple of times, If you are out in BFE and no other cars have passed recently to trigger the cops radar there is nothing you can do. The very best by far thing you can do with your V1 is to get the interface with your ob2 port. It filters out 90 percent of what you don't want or need to hear. I keep the V1 on the visor and have the remote display on the dash and I would recommend that also. I didn't get the remote speaker but may in the future.
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I have a valentine 1 and have been smacked by instant on a couple of times, If you are out in BFE and no other cars have passed recently to trigger the cops radar there is nothing you can do. The very best by far thing you can do with your V1 is to get the interface with your ob2 port. It filters out 90 percent of what you don't want or need to hear. I keep the V1 on the visor and have the remote display on the dash and I would recommend that also. I didn't get the remote speaker but may in the future.
How much $$ do you have in your radar system?
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How much are they using radar? I thought it was mostly laser now, but maybe that is something i just heard.
The lazy staties still sit in the median with radar and a threshold set. They fuck with their phones or jack off waiting for the alert to go off. Closer to quota time they'll go to instant on or break out the lidar.


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I have a valentine 1 and have been smacked by instant on a couple of times, If you are out in BFE and no other cars have passed recently to trigger the cops radar there is nothing you can do. The very best by far thing you can do with your V1 is to get the interface with your ob2 port. It filters out 90 percent of what you don't want or need to hear. I keep the V1 on the visor and have the remote display on the dash and I would recommend that also. I didn't get the remote speaker but may in the future.
I've had the V1 save me with instant on. I was getting a random chirp ever 10 or 15 seconds for almost a mile. It intrigued me enough to slow down. Sure enough when I popped over the next hill he was sitting there shooting from a very hidden spot. Just one of those events pays for the V1

And X2 on the OBD2 interface. You can set a speed limit threshold to mute it below a set speed so you don't get all the alerts while driving around the city. The newest version also updated the sensor to ignore all the adaptive cruise control systems that apparently use some sort of laser sensors. My old V1 was rendered almost useless by those. Sold it on ebay and bought a new version because it was cheaper than sending it to them for an update.


Situational awareness is the biggest thing that will keep you clean. If other cars are acting weird in front of you or you see brake lights on the horizon, wake the fuck up and slow down. That plus waze and a V1 + gives me about a 97% confidence rating in most places. Waze is the most useful tool unless you're out at like 3 in the morning when there aren't a lot of other drivers around to report.


On the situational awareness thing...

I've had a ~1 hour commute for the last 9 months or so and I knew my driving "attitude" was getting worse. My speeds were increasing and my patience for stupid was decreasing. Then I got pulled over two days in a row. Both times I passed a cop doing about 20 over and didn't even realize it until I saw the lights. I was completely focused on getting home and not paying attention to why the other cars were all driving slow. Somehow I got warnings on both of those. I'd never gotten a warning before that in my life and I got them two days in a row. I've slowed down a tad since then.
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How much $$ do you have in your radar system?
You can get the V1 and the Savy (OBD2) for $450 and the remote display is another $40. They come withe the gear to either hard wire or socket power them.

I guarantee it's save me more than $500 in tickets....this week.
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I stopped using them many years ago. Did not see the point any more. Good observation in terms of what the traffic is doing around you and far up ahead seems to be enough.
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You can get the V1 and the Savy (OBD2) for $450 and the remote display is another $40. They come withe the gear to either hard wire or socket power them.

I guarantee it's save me more than $500 in tickets....this week.
Correct! I like the Detector as it does keep me alert. Too easy to get slack and forget you are driving. Obviously, the detector and situational awareness is a plus. Another is to know where they are always at. Anywhere on 40 through Flagstaff, east up to 30 miles and 15 miles north of Kingman and both sides Winslow AZ, Lordsburg NM and almost always in the median, Gallup, NM
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I figured with the wide application of adaptive cruise control across just about every manufacture now, that there'd be so many false positives to make "radar" detectors pretty useless.
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I ran an Escort 8500 for years, it was ok. Still racked up tickets. Whistler CR90 now, less sensitive overall than the escort, and now that the lens is scratched up, laser detection sucks.

None of them has ever saved me from unmarked, instant on setups, you are always going to be f-ed.

The mobile photo vans here are really interesting. I can't figure them out. They must be using a really low power and well directed laser on a new(er) band. I've gotten my picter taken a few times and the detector doesn't ever go off so the burst must be so well directed/low power. I'd love to know more about these....
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I figured with the wide application of adaptive cruise control across just about every manufacture now, that there'd be so many false positives to make "radar" detectors pretty useless.
They are on a different band. Any new detector knows the exact radio band of the gun. Some detectors even know which make and model speed gun is being used by its frequency spectrum signature.
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