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Old 03-04-2019, 06:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I read somewhere once that important documents should be stored in a water proof container in a home safe... so they don't get ruined in case of a fire(moisture from gypsum) or flood.

I went looking and don't see anything about it now. Any truth to it?
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Old 03-04-2019, 07:00 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Meh....I have stuff in a fire resistant file cabinet, but I also have scanned all of them and keep them stored digitally so if the house goes "poof" it's not a big deal. With my wife's death, I've learned over the past couple months that digital is plenty OK for almost everyone.
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Your typical gun safe (like, TSC and Dick's carries) is not document-safe. I keep mine inside of a fire safe inside of my gun safe for that reason.

As stated, it is always good to keep your important documents in triplicate (maybe off-site storage as well) and digital.
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Old 03-04-2019, 09:20 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I keep copies of my important documents in a home type safe for easy access as need be, and the ORIGINAL documents in a bank safe deposit box that only costs me $100 a year.


Most consumer brand home safes have a limited time fire rating, that don't offer the assurance i need for my documents.

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Most consumer brand home safes have a limited time fire rating, that don't offer the assurance i need for my documents.
^^^This. Very few safes survived the Camp fire. Store docs in safe deposit box is probably best.
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just bought one that's rated to 1400į for 60 minutes. still using safe deposit for original docs.

safe does have an expandable seal that supposedly protects from heat and water. I wouldn't trust it alone to keep things cool and dry.

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Like many, I have scanned everything.

I don't have faith that any consumer safe would really protect me in a hot fire... so, I have a safe deposit box at my bank. That is the method that is the most prudent, I think, if you truly have things that you really need to keep safe.
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Old 03-04-2019, 10:17 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Document safe inside the gun safe is about the best a homeowner can do. The average gun safe isn't going to save even the guns.

I've considered doing a little "closet" for my safe. I think I could pull off a double layer of sheetrock and 6" of roksol for cheap and get pretty good results. The doors are the sticking points. Both having the room to open the safe door and the type of closet door. Don't know what, if any, protection a 20min fire rated door would actually give and anything more substantial really starts getting expensive.
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Old 03-04-2019, 10:20 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Make sure your doc safe is fire and waterproof as a start. Store in the basement (heat/fire rises) but a few feet off the floor in case of flooding.
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I picked up a couple FireKing 25s when I closed an office. Might not be enough, but better than nothing.
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Old 03-04-2019, 11:09 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I have a high end safe, not a big box store brand, think 90 minute rating. All important documents (birth certificates, passports, etc.) are in a file safe INSIDE that. I'm not a tinfoil hat kinda guy, but also not 100% trusting of banks.
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Old 03-04-2019, 11:42 AM   #12 (permalink)
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docs in a home safe

Iím set up similarly to a few others. Iíve got a good gun/fire safe, but thatís limited to a 90 minute rating. So, all of my documents are in another document fire safe, inside of the gun safe.
Itís not perfect, but it doesnít keep me up at night.
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So what documents couldn't be easily replaced in the event of a fire

Birth Certificate, SS card, Passport, and DD214.

(and those can be replaced, it's just a bit of a headache)


Insurance and shit should be replaceable with a call to the agent.
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So what documents couldn't be easily replaced in the event of a fire

Birth Certificate, SS card, Passport, and DD214.

(and those can be replaced, it's just a bit of a headache)


Insurance and shit should be replaceable with a call to the agent.
How about large amounts of cash....? Jewelry? It's not all about saving documents in a fire....

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So what documents couldn't be easily replaced in the event of a fire

Birth Certificate, SS card, Passport, and DD214.

(and those can be replaced, it's just a bit of a headache)


Insurance and shit should be replaceable with a call to the agent.
Family photo albums, grandparents immigration documents from 1883 and 1903, and things not documented through the federal government.
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How about large amounts of cash....?

+1. Birth certificates, passports, vehicle titles, SS cards, plus some cash in my setup.
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+1. Birth certificates, passports, vehicle titles, SS cards, plus some cash in my setup.


All but the cash in that list is easy to replace.


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How about large amounts of cash....? Jewelry? It's not all about saving documents in a fire....
When the premise is "I read somewhere once that important documents should be stored in a water proof container in a home safe... so they don't get ruined in case of a fire(moisture from gypsum) or flood"
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Mine are in a document safe inside my gun safe. I figure between all that they should be safe.
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I'm in the process of building a fire proof room that will house my fireproof safe. I may even go a step further and put my documents in a fire proof file inside the safe
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So what documents couldn't be easily replaced in the event of a fire

Birth Certificate, SS card, Passport, and DD214.

(and those can be replaced, it's just a bit of a headache)


Insurance and shit should be replaceable with a call to the agent.
Wills, Trusts, Bearer Bonds, Corporation Org Documents, land abstracts, cash, treasure maps, first edition books, family bibles/family letters/family history, US Treasury bonds, microfilm indicating who really killed JFK, fingernail clippings, vintage pin-up negatives, original draft of the Port Huron Statement (not the compromised second draft), mining deeds, etc.
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In driving thru town 24 hours after the latest paradise fire on 11/09/2018 I saw a lot of safes that suffered great losses.

Unless buying these so called cheesy gun safes came with contents replacement insurance I personally wouldn't put a high point pistol in one.

The fires burned for hours and hours and saw temperatures of 8K į so I have been told by local calfire firefighters.

I know of a setup that would save your papers and guns from destruction but it would cost upwards of the $10 - $15K area.

I don't sell the setup but only the premise.
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When the premise is "I read somewhere once that important documents should be stored in a water proof container in a home safe... so they don't get ruined in case of a fire(moisture from gypsum) or flood"
How about thinking literally "out side the box", and re-read other responses above.....

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Wills, Trusts, Bearer Bonds, Corporation Org Documents, land abstracts, cash, treasure maps, first edition books, family bibles/family letters/family history, US Treasury bonds, microfilm indicating who really killed JFK, fingernail clippings, vintage pin-up negatives, original draft of the Port Huron Statement (not the compromised second draft), mining deeds, etc.
Where have you been for the last 15 years?

ALL that shit is available ON-LINE

(except maybe the fingernail clippings, but you can probably get those by the gross on ETSY or ebay)


(seriously, you can't even buy a paper savings bond , they quit that 8 years ago)



Edit: 1 google search http://www.angelfire.com/va3/nails4sale/
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Your typical gun safe (like, TSC and Dick's carries) is not document-safe. I keep mine inside of a fire safe inside of my gun safe for that reason.

As stated, it is always good to keep your important documents in triplicate (maybe off-site storage as well) and digital.
X2 on both. Originals secured elsewhere.
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