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Old 03-11-2019, 10:34 AM   #101 (permalink)
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If you wanna be near the ocean
St Augustine fla is nice

A condo on the beach is about $200

But that county , saint Johns , is growing really fast

All the people who work in Jacksonville want to live right across the border into St. Johnís county because the schools are the best in Florida
And the schools in Duval county , where Jacksonville is , are not quite the worst , but close to the bottom

THe next counties to the west of St Johns , clay or Putnam , the median home prices are less than 1/2 of at Johns ,

But I donít see why anyone would live in Florida and not be on the beach or very close

Otherwise youíre just living in someplace thatís hot as hell and flat and why would you want that when you could go to north GA and have rolling hills or mountains and 20 degrees less
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Old 03-11-2019, 01:19 PM   #102 (permalink)
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The best answer I think for retiring with everything you want is to have 2 houses. A summer house in the mountains and a winter house near the coast. Considerably within a couple of days driving time apart.
Although I don't like the thought of maintaining multiple residences, we are considering this depending on what our son (he's our only child) does after college.
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Old 03-11-2019, 01:31 PM   #103 (permalink)
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This might sound silly coming from someone in one of the most blue states but several of the states mentioned have very prominent national leftist/liberal people in Washington and/or their local leaders that are racing towards socialism. If I were to relocate I would not want to go anywhere where the politics are shifting blue and their leaders are at the forefront of socialism or taking away 2a rights. BTW I am not recommending anyone to move to Illinois lol.
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Old 03-11-2019, 07:59 PM   #104 (permalink)
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I'm thinking Ecuador or Uruguay. ://www.escapeartist.com/blog/the-3-best-places-to-retire-in-south-america/

Especially after all this damn snow we've had!

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Although I don't like the thought of maintaining multiple residences, we are considering this depending on what our son (he's our only child) does after college.
We have a house in the mountains that sits mostly idle that we visit maybe once a month at the very most. The only huge factor for it to sustain by itself was to update the plumbing, keep a couple fans blowing and to be sure to put RV antifreeze in all the traps before we leave. It is spring fed so I have it now to where I can shut all the water off. And then a valve to open up the intake and return to each other at the source to form an open loop so that it drains down to a minimum. And of course a heat lamp on the pump.

Of course this all came about after dropping in to find our toilet was busted along with cpvc water lines busted throughout along with the pump housing. A total redo but we were tremendously lucky to catch it right after it happened while the temp was still below freezing.

3 years later and not a single problem since. Now down to establishing comforts trying to get a smart heater system installed to have it warm before we pull in. And we have the shut-down process down to an art.

All brick with metal roof. Nothing but somewhat of a yard to weed eat half a year that I hire out when I don't make it up there. Pretty simple really. I imagine a beach house would be similar but even without the plumbing issues?
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Old 03-12-2019, 07:49 AM   #106 (permalink)
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I'd knock Florida for a lot of reasons, but the heat isn't one of them.

I lived in Wisconsin for almost 10 years. It could get miserably hot in the summer. However, it was beautiful for 80% of the time. The problem was, it was 80% of about 3-4 months. The other 8 months were cold as shit and dreary.

Here, from June to September, you're sticking to the A/C. However, from October to April, it is beautiful. It has been a little on the warm side lately, but I did some yard projects all weekend in shorts and a t-shirt and enjoyed the weather. Motorcycle riding season is 8 months to 12, depending on if you want to ride in the heat.

In February, in Wisconsin, if I wanted to get the mail - I could run out with my boots, sweatpants, and a light jacket (long driveway), but it would be miserable.

In August, in Florida, I could walk out in shorts and stop to talk to a neighbor.

With that said, I do understand that some folks have a cooling deficiency. As long as I'm not doing yardwork, I can stand in 90į and 90% humidity and not sweat. I was born and raised here, so I guess that is why. I have friends that come here and they need a towel with them to keep the sweat out of their eyes when they are standing still.

Different strokes for different folks.

Also, we'll probably move at some point. TN is one of our top picks, but we've looked somewhat at parts of NV, UT, and AZ. Unrelated to weather though.
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I'd knock Florida for a lot of reasons, but the heat isn't one of them.

I lived in Wisconsin for almost 10 years. It could get miserably hot in the summer. However, it was beautiful for 80% of the time. The problem was, it was 80% of about 3-4 months. The other 8 months were cold as shit and dreary.

Here, from June to September, you're sticking to the A/C. However, from October to April, it is beautiful. It has been a little on the warm side lately, but I did some yard projects all weekend in shorts and a t-shirt and enjoyed the weather. Motorcycle riding season is 8 months to 12, depending on if you want to ride in the heat.

In February, in Wisconsin, if I wanted to get the mail - I could run out with my boots, sweatpants, and a light jacket (long driveway), but it would be miserable.

In August, in Florida, I could walk out in shorts and stop to talk to a neighbor.

With that said, I do understand that some folks have a cooling deficiency. As long as I'm not doing yardwork, I can stand in 90į and 90% humidity and not sweat. I was born and raised here, so I guess that is why. I have friends that come here and they need a towel with them to keep the sweat out of their eyes when they are standing still.

Different strokes for different folks.

Also, we'll probably move at some point. TN is one of our top picks, but we've looked somewhat at parts of NV, UT, and AZ. Unrelated to weather though.
Ok , for the record. Take Utah off of all your lists. It is getting pretty crowded here and turning into a California east. The freeways are jammed everyday. The country life you are searching for is gone. Donít believe me. Go to Zion National Park anytime itís remotely warm.
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Ok , for the record. Take Utah off of all your lists. It is getting pretty crowded here and turning into a California east. The freeways are jammed everyday. The country life you are searching for is gone. Donít believe me. Go to Zion National Park anytime itís remotely warm.
Haha! Come to Seattle and tell me how bad your traffic is!
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Haha! Come to Seattle and tell me how bad your traffic is!
I think you would be surprised. Every morning and afternoon it is gridlock. The farms have been pretty much bought up and turned into high dollar houses or condos. People keep saying move to hurricane. It is urban sprawl headed further out into the desert. Iíve lived here my whole life. It has went from a great place to raise a family to just another shithole full of gangbangers selling drugs to your kids. If my wife would move when I retire, Iíd go. I just donít know if there is anyplace left that isnít a shithole.
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I think all the places I would have chosen 10+ years ago have since changed....a lot. East TN and UT were/are my top two and have been for a very long time. I think I missed the boat and will likely stay put where I am for the foreseeable future
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Ok , for the record. Take Utah off of all your lists. It is getting pretty crowded here and turning into a California east. The freeways are jammed everyday. The country life you are searching for is gone. Donít believe me. Go to Zion National Park anytime itís remotely warm.
Zion N.P. has been crowded for decades. This is nothing new. We went thru there on a Thanksgiving week on the way to Lake Powell and it was a zoo. This was in 1982.
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I think you would be surprised. Every morning and afternoon it is gridlock. The farms have been pretty much bought up and turned into high dollar houses or condos. People keep saying move to hurricane. It is urban sprawl headed further out into the desert. Iíve lived here my whole life. It has went from a great place to raise a family to just another shithole full of gangbangers selling drugs to your kids. If my wife would move when I retire, Iíd go. I just donít know if there is anyplace left that isnít a shithole.
Comparing the SLC area to the St. George area is ludicrous. That would be like comparing Redding, Ca. to San Francisco.
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Nice spot for sure!
We lived in susanville for 5 years, I wanted to buy in the Red Rock area to be out of Ca but at the time it wasn't feasible. Sure miss the coyote hunting out there!
Yeah I will tell you, we went from a 2700 sq foot 5 bedroom house on about 1/4 acre, that was built in 2007, to an 1840 sq ft 3 bedroom house on 10 acres that was built in 1983, and I couldn't be happier. Its all about the location and the area. I love it out here. Sure I have to drive 40 minutes to get to work, but it is a small sacrifice to make to live where I do.
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Old 03-12-2019, 09:20 AM   #114 (permalink)
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I think you would be surprised. Every morning and afternoon it is gridlock. The farms have been pretty much bought up and turned into high dollar houses or condos. People keep saying move to hurricane. It is urban sprawl headed further out into the desert. Iíve lived here my whole life. It has went from a great place to raise a family to just another shithole full of gangbangers selling drugs to your kids. If my wife would move when I retire, Iíd go. I just donít know if there is anyplace left that isnít a shithole.
I love traveling to the SLC area for work to get away from the CO Front Range. Hardly any traffic in comparison. Same for Phoenix.
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I've seen the Ozarks mentioned a couple of times. I live here because I want to, but there isn't a true fit for your requirements in the area. While it's true our summer temps are typically sub 100, they are typically near 90 and humid enough to be uncomfortable. Not Louisiana or FL humid, but that's like saying my ballsack is less sweaty than my ass crack. It's also true our winter temps are typically in the 40 degree range. It doesn't snow enough here to justify spending money on snow equipment, so we just shut down when we do get winter weather. There is usually a couple of weeks in single digits and every few years you can figure a sub zero few days in.

Also, if you want low crime, northwest Arkansas is your best option. Our metro area is nearing 1 MM, but not there yet. Again, that's really misleading. We have a higher per capita white collar work force than NYC. Which means that 1 MM has some spending power, so we have all of the amenities of large cities short of 1st tier professional sports. We do have a minor league baseball team and the U of A.

Funny story, back in the late 70s, early 80s Cooper development did a national ad campaign for a retirement community. They advertised a temperate environment with an average temp of 70 degrees. While that's true, that doesn't begin to address the true range of temps. That is no longer a retirement community exclusively controlled by Cooper any more, it's become Bella Vista Village. There were some pissed off people on the climate issue though.
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Comparing the SLC area to the St. George area is ludicrous. That would be like comparing Redding, Ca. to San Francisco.
Iím sorry if that was what I was suggesting. Iím guessing you know more about the Saint George area than I do. From my perspective it has turned from a small town into a large town heading further out into the desert. I havenít been down to the nieces new house in a few months in Saint George. But when there they were building $500,000 plus homes as fast as they could put them up. My point is, if you want to get away from it all. This place will be Vegas like in twenty years. Thatís where itís headed. Yes Iím a ludicrous bastard. To each their own.
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Why on earth would you have two residences 30 miles away (based on google maps)?
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Why on earth would you have two residences 30 miles away (based on google maps)?
Look at the weather for the full year at both locations then check the elevation.....
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Ok , for the record. Take Utah off of all your lists. It is getting pretty crowded here and turning into a California east. The freeways are jammed everyday. The country life you are searching for is gone. Donít believe me. Go to Zion National Park anytime itís remotely warm.
My folks spend like 2 weeks there last fall heading to Yuma and they hardly saw anyone.
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My folks spend like 2 weeks there last fall heading to Yuma and they hardly saw anyone.
In Zion? I have no idea how. Every time I've been it's been crowded as hell.
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In Zion? I have no idea how. Every time I've been it's been crowded as hell.
If people think Zion N.P. is crowded they should try Yosemite Valley in June.
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If people think Zion N.P. is crowded they should try Yosemite Valley in June.
Been there, done that. Zion is honestly approaching that level.
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Check out Boise. They have 4 seasons, college football, an airport, reasonable cost of living, outdoor activities....
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