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Old 03-20-2019, 05:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
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This popped up this morning and looks interesting https://mobile.craigslist.org/hvo/d/...845484565.html
What kind of disaster might I be getting into?
Suggestions of what to look for if I go check it out?
Potential good deal if I do all the work?
Run away or go get it?
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Old 03-20-2019, 05:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
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That thing is beat for 400 hours.
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For that cheap assume that there is a rod hanging out the block that no one noticed.
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That thing is beat for 400 hours.
It looks like it had a rough life for sure.
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Poor thing has had a rough 400 hour long life.
I'd want to know why the "freeze plugs" are partially out. If the coolant froze and busted them I'd want to know that the rest of the engine holds water. If the engine is fine and just needs plugs put back in it it would be a pretty good deal. If it needs the block welded or replaced, it's an okay deal for someone needing that tractor.
4wd adds value. I'm not sure if the loader scv was standard on that tractor, most of the time it wasn't and is expensive to add so having that is nice so you can add a loader later. I'm suspicious that it had a loader on it at one time, might be worth asking if it could be added.
If it fires up, pull the dipstick and check for blowby. As long as nobody has cracked a piston with ether (btdt), those yanmars are pretty well bullet proof and 400hrs is nothing. It will still be running strong at 4000.
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I am very skeptical of the hours.
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I bet it was rolled and started back up immediately after with starter fluid.
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I am very skeptical of the hours.
I'd check to see if the hour meter is unplugged. It was on my JD lawn tractor when I bought it. The paint wear below the pedals make me think the hours are a bit off...

Looks like whom ever owned it couldn't drive for shit.

Factor in that JD parts are more expensive than vehicle parts. The radiator on mine cost more than one for my Dakota!
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If it was near me Id be hard pressed not to pull the trigger, that's a nice size tractor.
like the yuper said .., check for blow by and load it up on your trailer.
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Must've had an exceptionally hard 409 hrs . Not saying it not true but it looks more like 4409 hrs to me .i would check the price of a complete engine before i got too excited . Just in case its damaged beyond repair .
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I just talked to him on the phone. He said a guy is coming to look at it and in 30 minutes and he will let me know if he buys it.
He said he hasn't owned it long and doesn't know much details. He did say there is some water in the oil so I guess that means a cracked block or head? Probably a deal killer.
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Crazy they have a long block on Alibaba for $1600 with $1000 shipping
https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...166a14cbG37eIl

No luck on a used engine yet I just thought that was pretty weird.
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I just talked to him on the phone. He said a guy is coming to look at it and in 30 minutes and he will let me know if he buys it.
He said he hasn't owned it long and doesn't know much details. He did say there is some water in the oil so I guess that means a cracked block or head? Probably a deal killer.
he knows more than he is letting on. but that is still cheap. that is the standard for i am not responsible for any of this shit line.
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I just talked to him on the phone. He said a guy is coming to look at it and in 30 minutes and he will let me know if he buys it.
He said he hasn't owned it long and doesn't know much details. He did say there is some water in the oil so I guess that means a cracked block or head? Probably a deal killer.
itll be gone. its how it always works
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I've had 2 JD tractors so far that the hour gage did not work. My current JD 950 stopped at just 609 hrs. BUT I also found the wiring to all be fubar'd. So possibly expect wiring issues although these things are pretty simple to rewire. So easy that there's no aftermarket harnesses to be had. Usually 6-8 wires if you don't swap to a 1 wire alt while you are at it and drop that down to like 5 or 6.

There's a couple tractor forums with individuals that have access to all the manuals and they don't hesitate to pass out free pdf's of the entire manual. I've never had issues getting one for every piece of equipment I own.

And I will add the damage to this machine is minimal compared to 90% of the working tractors in my area when I was looking. The sheet metal is very thin on these and can dent by just sitting your beer down.

Freeze plugs is 99.9% insurance to the block. I would never hesitate buying a vehicle (or tractor) with one out. It's when they stay in is when damage occurs. There's usually an underlying cause usually a leak somewhere and the owner only filled with water. Most likely the radiator needs servicing. Simply knock all of them in and pull back out with channel locks and replace. Then fix the leak.

I'd be all over this personally if I had the time. Especially if it still cranks and runs. I bought a truck once like 5 miles away without a freeze plug and drove it home by hooking up a temp gage and shutting it down when it reached 200+/-. Think I only had to shut it down once and wait a while to drive it on home. That was back when I was parting trucks and buying anything without worries for the right price.
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What about the water in the oil? The first guy is thinking about it.
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I'd check to see if the hour meter is unplugged. It was on my JD lawn tractor when I bought it. The paint wear below the pedals make me think the hours are a bit off...

Looks like whom ever owned it couldn't drive for shit.

Factor in that JD parts are more expensive than vehicle parts. The radiator on mine cost more than one for my Dakota!
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that thing looks more like a 2400 hour machine.
it's a good deal if ALL that is wrong with it is the casting plug, but I'm gonna bet it turns into a money pit, otherwise the current owner would spend the $500 to have someone replace all the plugs.
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Blocks likely cracked. Swapping an engine in a tractor isnít exactly cheap or easy. Iím gonna bet that youíll easily be into this tractor 8-10k by the time you get it running reliably. Thatís not counting the hours youíll spend working on it.
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My bet is also fubar'ed or unplugged hour meter.

That thing's been whored out.
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Crazy they have a long block on Alibaba for $1600 with $1000 shipping
https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...166a14cbG37eIl

No luck on a used engine yet I just thought that was pretty weird.
I'm suspicious of that alibaba link, especially since they list a dozen different engines. Would be a good deal if it was.

I rebuilt the 3tne84 in my 4300 for around $1500, but the block wasn't cracked. Splitting the tractor to pull the engine wasn't fun, but doable in a home shop with an engine hoist and a floor jack and jack stands. Pulling the cab was a major part. The JD manuals are critical to have, but not always accurate as far as procedures go. I.E. the manual for my 4300 didn't say the fuel tank had to be pulled (1+ hour job on a 4x00 plus pulling the cab) to get the head off because they forgot about the bolts in the back of the head that go to the tank bracket.
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This is more like it when it comes to lower hour tractors

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...832589886.html
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If it's fixable, that tractor is worth about $10k or better, assuming the hours are correct. It does appear to have been a rough 400 hrs, likely not operated by the guy that paid for it. I have the orange variety, same size, a year newer with 400 hrs. Mine looks new, but it's kept inside and I don't beat it up.
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No way in hell that has only 400 hrs on it. Wear below the pedals says that. 400 hours and oil caked on the engine? No way. Might want to visit Danís rebuild a deer 410b thread. Buy it and start a rebuild from front to rear thread.
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I'm suspicious of that alibaba link, especially since they list a dozen different engines. Would be a good deal if it was.

I rebuilt the 3tne84 in my 4300 for around $1500, but the block wasn't cracked. Splitting the tractor to pull the engine wasn't fun, but doable in a home shop with an engine hoist and a floor jack and jack stands. Pulling the cab was a major part. The JD manuals are critical to have, but not always accurate as far as procedures go. I.E. the manual for my 4300 didn't say the fuel tank had to be pulled (1+ hour job on a 4x00 plus pulling the cab) to get the head off because they forgot about the bolts in the back of the head that go to the tank bracket.
that's standard alibaba shit.

they list the price low and then cover the rest of it with shipping so their results can be first.
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for that price i'd be picking it up. i've made really good money in the past rehabbing compact tractors.
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