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Old 04-18-2019, 08:23 AM   #126 (permalink)
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Kinda makes me wonder if it wasn't an advantage getting into this hobby around Y2K, back when all the newbs started off with open/sorta open, like 90" wheelbase and shitty 33's and really REALLY had to learn how to drive before building anything better.

Now you can go finance what would have been a full blown stock class comp rig back then and just drive into trouble with the dealer's tags still on.
Probably a good point here. I never thought about it but your right.

My wheeling 101 was a $800 CJ that barely ran on the cheepest 31's I could order with me all alone in the woods hung up or broke down each weekend.... The class I took started in '04 and is still in session.

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Old 04-18-2019, 08:24 AM   #127 (permalink)
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I wonder if he was double footing the gas and brake simultaneously. Panicked and jammed the gas thinking it was the brake pedal. I get driving out of a flop but if there are people around just lay it over and take it like a man.

Iím betting people were standing around filming this and he wanted to do it for the Ďgram so he could tag all of the BS aftermarket brands.





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Dude isn't smart enough to double foot or drive out of a flop.

And I agree, there's got to be video footage someone took.. If folks are standing around, then phones are out.
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Old 04-18-2019, 08:28 AM   #128 (permalink)
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How so on a lawsuit?
Both were at an offroad event and a certsin amount of risk is involved, criminal really?
What about the event itself they would slso be liable.


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Negligence. There is no protection against that. Failure to maintain control of a motor vehicle. Failure to properly control your vehicle such as get off the gas and step on the brake. A lawyer has a couple of years to come up with why that wasn't done in a civil lawsuit. Also percentage of liability. Even if she was right in front of the rig, there still is a degree of liability on both parties. I take it you never have been sued before? Well, lawyer up and learn. One reason I strongly refuse to give rides in my rig.
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Old 04-18-2019, 08:40 AM   #129 (permalink)
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Dude isn't smart enough to double foot or drive out of a flop.
It doesn't take smarts to uncontrollably drive out of a flop. It takes panic and stomping on the gas rather than the brake. Physics turn the vehicle the way it went.

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Ever play old video games back in the day? Remember the steps you take as you go from level 1 to level 10 to level 50? Imagine just starting a new game and you jump from level 1 to level 50 and skip all the fun stuff...

Open diffs on 33s, replacing J-arms on the push pull, young guys getting it done on the budget every chance we got. Putting in more work than money because we could afford more scraped knuckles than cash. It was stepping stones, and a ton of learning between each level-up. Before we ever saw links or dual cases, we had pushed the limits of what we could without them and therefore truly appreciated each and every upgrade one at a time.

I look back at those experiences and the growth and treasure them. To be handed all those steps in one package, you wouldn't even know or appreciate what each one does on it's own without the others because you never felt what it's like without them.

Advice to new guys to the sport, especially you guys willing to spend money. Pace yourself. Upgrade 1 thing at a time and get used to it and feel it before you upgrade the next thing. Make a plan and space out your project over a period of time. Don't be in a hurry to hit max level 100 super wizard mode. Enjoy the process and the journey.
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The red line is the track I have for Golden Spike.
The Yellow circle is where it seems he was hung up.
The red circle is the crash site.
The orange dots are the supposed path.

All is speculation based in reading here.
I'm having trouble understanding why he was driving over that rock to end up turtling on it as opposed to riding a tire over it instead. It just screams inexperienced off-roader to me.


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here is the drivers update, kinda lame (stolen from the gay board posted here)
Not a single thought or concern for the woman he severely injured. It's all about him.
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Old 04-18-2019, 09:03 AM   #131 (permalink)
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Not a single thought or concern for the woman he severely injured. It's all about him.
let's not vilify the guy until all facts come out. There's not much he could say about the injured person w/o offering the perception of admitting fault. If you were in the same situation, you should keep you mouth shut, too...
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Old 04-18-2019, 09:05 AM   #132 (permalink)
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Not a single thought or concern for the woman he severely injured. It's all about him.
exactly. thanking everyone for the well wishes and help dealing with the aftermath? sounds like he's more pissed his auto insurance might go up than even mention the lady he maimed. What a fucking pile shit.

the world has a way of dealing little pieces of shit like this. don't let me down now!
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Old 04-18-2019, 09:07 AM   #133 (permalink)
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let's not vilify the guy until all facts come out. There's not much he could say about the injured person w/o offering the perception of admitting fault. If you were in the same situation, you should keep you mouth shut, too...
Even if he's not culpable I would expect him to show concern for her well being. But I suppose you're right in that he needs to be careful what he says from a legal standpoint.
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let's not vilify the guy until all facts come out. There's not much he could say about the injured person w/o offering the perception of admitting fault. If you were in the same situation, you should keep you mouth shut, too...
I get it, "sorry I fucked your life up" is almost an admission of guilt

couldn't even say, " hope she makes a full recovery" or something along those
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Old 04-18-2019, 09:09 AM   #135 (permalink)
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Not a single thought or concern for the woman he severely injured. It's all about him.
My impression as well. It's idea of CYA, but he's way out of his league.
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Even if he's not culpable I would expect him to show concern for her well being. But I suppose you're right in that he needs to be careful what he says from a legal standpoint.
I agree with your point - but it's unfortunately not as simple as it should be.

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I get it, "sorry I fucked your life up" is almost an admission of guilt

couldn't even say, " hope she makes a full recovery" or something along those
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A good attorney would have a field day with that statement.

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My impression as well. It's idea of CYA, but he's way out of his league.
What should he have said that would not have been "out of his league?"

There's a LOT of unknown here...
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A good attorney would have a field day with that statement.
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interesting. god forbid i ever do something this stupid, but I'll keep my shout shut
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What should he have said that would not have been "out of his league?"
He should say nothing until their is a settlement. Not one word.
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He should say nothing until their is a settlement. Not one word.
With that, I can agree.
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interesting. god forbid i ever do something this stupid, but I'll keep my shout shut
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I get it, "sorry I fucked your life up" is almost an admission of guilt

couldn't even say, " hope she makes a full recovery" or something along those
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I recently listened to a Radiolab podcast that mentioned this exact thing.

Essentially, saying "I'm sorry it happened" in his statement can be an admission of fault. Really, saying anything acknowledging the injury could have legal implications down the road. That statement is BS and has likely been gone through by a lawyer, but that is the climate we are in now. For clarity, I'm just saying I understand why it is written that way, not that I agree with anything in it.
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Here are a couple JL (not rubicon) beat down vids. Impressive little Jeep.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BwXJ3M1l...=17wgz5q5wd7ku

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Here are a couple JL (not rubicon) beat down vids. Impressive little Jeep.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BwXJ3M1l...=17wgz5q5wd7ku

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beating on it pretty good and seemed to handle it all
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Thanks for the maps. You're orange dots are backwards though. He would have been travelling from top to bottom, making a 90* left turn.

My guess is right at the blue circle in pic 1 he cut the corner too close on the drivers side and dropped his rear tire off that rock. Judging by all the scrapes all over that rock it is fairly large. Rig started to flop driver side and he floored it, bicycling towards/into the crack. It's the only way that hard left makes sense to me.

Pic 2: red = rock damage indicating scale of rock, blue = front tire tracking, black = rear tire tracking, green = point where rear tire fell off and the shitshow started.

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I'm having trouble understanding why he was driving over that rock to end up turtling on it as opposed to riding a tire over it instead. It just screams inexperienced off-roader to me.
I believe Sceep has it right, now that I know where this happened. This is an optional obstacle just past the Golden Crack. I can't remember what its called right now. You cant just "ride a tire over it" because the rocks in question are actually a stair step thats probably 8-10 ft high. After you get to the top of the stairs you're supposed to circle back to the left and pick up the main trail again. Dude was too far to the right and fell off, started to roll and whiskey throttled it.
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He was off road. Some of you are assuming his auto insurance will cover this. I'm not sure it will.

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Dude fucked up. Our first rule in our club was NO fucking Jeeper fags. 95% of them didnít belong in a 4x4.
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He was off road. Some of you are assuming his auto insurance will cover this. I'm not sure it will.


So you can only crash on the road for coverage to be valid?
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He was off road. Some of you are assuming his auto insurance will cover this. I'm not sure it will.
most all auto insurances will cover an off-road vehicle on an off-road trail that is commonly used by other off-road vehicles.
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So you can only crash on the road for coverage to be valid?
what happens if the crash starts on the road but the damage actually occurs off the road?
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