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Old 04-29-2019, 03:36 PM   #26 (permalink)
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To me out the door means the total cost, price, tax, doc fees, warranty.
It doesn't include the interest on the loan if you finance.
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Old 04-29-2019, 03:49 PM   #27 (permalink)
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If you bought that trailer in Texas and to be registered in Texas, they would have charged you the Texas Taxes at the dealership and your "out the door" number would be changed to reflect that.

Some of y'all are talking like the "out the door number" is set the same for every sale. It floats, just like all other pricing. It is adjusted to the sales price you negotiated, and includes the taxes they have to charge based on your situation. (be it out of state, be it ag. exempt, whatever)

My "out the door" number with ag. exemption is not the same as my "out the door" number paying non ag equipment.
This - it all varies by state. Colorado sucks because their license fees are such a cluster. Many other states are easy to calculate and require the dealer to collect the license and registration fees at point of sale. I hate that in CO you have to wait a few weeks to go back and pay more.

For me out-the-door is the price you pay either cash or financed before any add-ons you agree to in the finance manager's office - it includes any state or local fees/taxes you are required to pay with the purchase to the dealership.
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I'm okay with that being included. But don't assume it is.

Do your due diligence as a buyer and ask specific questions.

I swear, most of people's problem when buying cars from me is their lack of confidence and inability to ask uncomfortable questions. They do not understand how to conduct serious transactions.
Some states will allow you to run a vehicle exclusively on a farm without buying tags, or maybe a reduced fee, but only three states have no state sales tax, and all of them allow the counties to implement their own sales tax.

And spare us with your high level negotiating skills. Sheesh.
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Is this even a question? And who are the dumb fawks who answered incorrectly?
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Old 04-29-2019, 03:58 PM   #30 (permalink)
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When I tell some one the OTD #, and I use it daily(or at least hope to), it means what they are writing the check to my dealership for. That includes trades, taxes, etc. Any extended warranties, gap, credit insurance, etc, is extra.

Because every deal is different, I have to know ALL of the details and figure the OTD number accordingly. Kansas resident? then I collect sales tax. Out of state resident? I don't collect sales tax. Then because Kansas has its head so far up its ass on the sales tax system, I have to explain to the buyer that even though their OTD number has sales tax in it, it only has my towns 7.5% in it. That is what I am required to collect. Because you live in the shithole that is our capital, Topeka, you will owe the remainder of your addresses sales tax. Upwards of 3%.
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OTD at a dealer for an instate purchase means I owe nothing to anyone else. If I negotiate to remove the title, tax, tags, and all that bullshit (because why pay when I can do it myself), my OTD should be less.


Private party, I'm expecting to pay my own fees, so it's not really a thing. Ofc, I'm leaving with the title in hand.
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I'm okay with that being included. But don't assume it is.

Do your due diligence as a buyer and ask specific questions.

I swear, most of people's problem when buying cars from me is their lack of confidence and inability to ask uncomfortable questions. They do not understand how to conduct serious transactions.
I can understand people lacking confidence in you and feeling uncomfortable asking you if you are capable of grasping logic.

Most people have forgotten how to conduct "serious transactions" like trading gum wrappers
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OTD at a dealer for an instate purchase means I owe nothing to anyone else.
Can be for out of state also. We bought my wife’s car at a dealership nearer to the state line and they collected and submitted our taxes for our out of state county.

They also had the wrong concept of out the door and had to be corrected. Out the door is what I am paying for that vehicle to be done with everything related to it, warranty, taxes, fees, everything.
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Just played this game...

tax + title + license + doc fee + delivery fee + registration doc fee + "amount paid to others on your behalf" (usually dealer add on shit)….. might have missed one- they make this intentionally difficult to understand to leave most peoples heads spinning.


Realized they put one past me on my recent DD purchase, after reviewing the final paperwork. Had some stern words with the GM, which resulted in a full refund for the amount in question. GM was cool, wanted to make it right.

Can't let your guard down even for a second as these guys are professional crooks and rip-off artists...
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Just played this game...

tax + title + license + doc fee + delivery fee + registration doc fee + "amount paid to others on your behalf" (usually dealer add on shit)….. might have missed one- they make this intentionally difficult to understand to leave most peoples heads spinning.


Realized they put one past me on my recent DD purchase, after reviewing the final paperwork. Had some stern words with the GM, which resulted in a full refund for the amount in question. GM was cool, wanted to make it right.

Can't let your guard down even for a second as these guys are professional crooks and rip-off artists...
When I buy a car, new or used, from a dealer I insist on being told the "out the door price" and to have it in writing before I agree to anything. I make it plain that if that price doesn't match what they want when it comes to paying I'm walking out the door. I've walked more than once.
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When I buy a car, new or used, from a dealer I insist on being told the "out the door price" and to have it in writing before I agree to anything. I make it plain that if that price doesn't match what they want when it comes to paying I'm walking out the door. I've walked more than once.
Yep, gotta be prepared to walk at any point. There's always another car at another dealer, another day if they want to play games or screw around.
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Yep, gotta be prepared to walk at any point. There's always another car at another dealer, another day if they want to play games or screw around.
I've had guys chase me as I'm heading to the car I drove in with. I just keep on walking and don't bother to answer anything they say. If LOTS of people would do that maybe their behavior would change. I don't hold out a whole lot of hope though.
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"Out the door" includes everything it takes to get you out the door with the car including the taxes, title, and license.
That's been my understanding, while also understanding, they will have lied multiple times to break any and every promise made along the way.
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Final cost; prior to tax, license, interest if financed.
The opposite of this, except the interest.
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In NJ all the tax, fees, etc happen at the dealer. So OTD for me is (and has been) give me the number I need to put on the check, I'll go get that check from the bank, give it and only it to you, and I'll leave with the car.

Typically there's a 'maximum' they need to charge for registration & titling fees, and if it turns out to be less, they give it to you as a refund. Last few times I've bought from a dealership when I go back in a week or so to pick up the permanent plates & title they also include a check for ~$20 or so. Not sure where it comes from but also not that worried about it in the bigger picture. Better than a surprise in the other direction before they let you leave with it.
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You can't get "out the door" without paying the taxes.

"Out the door" includes everything it takes to get you out the door with the car including the taxes, title, and license.
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If I'm going to write one check and be done with it, that check is for my "out the door" price.

To me, "out the door" = everything (i.e., I'm out the door not owing anything).

It's just that fawking simple. Anyone who says differently is selling
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Every last penny I need to pay for the vehicle.
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The last delarship car I bought was stickered at $995. I told him I'd give him $1000 out the door. He said sure and wrote the sales price up as $675. After tax, registration, and smog it came out to $997. Out the door means whatever is mandatory to get that car out the door in your state. Aparently this may or may not include tax and registration in your state.
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Final cost; prior to tax, license, interest if financed.
Holy shit, I didn’t know it was possible to reach this level of stupid
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final price. this is the stack of 100's i leave on your desk, you hand me keys and title.

Here is WA there is an "optional $150 paperwork fee" that needs to be advertised as such. most folks seem to think it is mandatory. last dealer i went to said "XYZ out the door" and i said OK, then he tried to charge me the extra $150. he changed his mind before i left
I've never heard of someone getting out of paying that....
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Amazing thread and responses. OTD is exactly that. The dealer can apportion whatever he wants to that final price. Up to them....but I am only paying the agreed final price with all the do-dahs, taxes, et, that they feel they can get away with. I will get quotes from each dealer with the same "wants and requirements" then write my one check. I also know that before I write that check/cash, either one of us could cancel the sale. Always go into the dealership with a pre-approved loan amount..or get pre-approved at the dealership.

But I stopped buying from the sealers deacdes ago. But I have bought from friends working or owning dealerships, but no BS. OTD is OTD-tail-light warrantee.

Amazes me actually that we still consider high ticket items without the total taxed price. Or, Home Depot for that matter. Japan includes taxes and tips in pricing.
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“Out the door” price is whatever you negotiated that will get you out the door one way or the other.

Last new vehicle I bought, I asked a few dealers in the area for an “out the door” price with tax, title and license included. When I went to the dealers and they started adding on to that price, I walked “out the door”. The dealership we finally did buy from actually knocked another $5k off their “out the door” price because they didn’t have the brand new car that we wanted, but did have a demo with ~5k miles on it that had everything we wanted.
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You can't get "out the door" without paying the taxes.

"Out the door" includes everything it takes to get you out the door with the car including the taxes, title, and license.
Probably depends on what state you live in I’m thinking. Here you don’t pay sales tax on a vehicle at the dealership or whoever you bought it from. You pay the sales tax and licensing fees at a license office. You have a bit over 30 days to do that and the dealership gives you a temp tag to drive on.

So out the door is what you pay for the vehicle is as far as the dealership is concerned plus financing if you go through them for that.
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Well then it's not really the final cost, now is it?
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