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Old 05-09-2019, 07:23 AM   #151 (permalink)
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How hard would it be for you to put in a new driveway? Would it be worth 5 or so acres and a new fence to just give up yours?

Ehhhh, what do you know about fences and neighbors!
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Old 05-09-2019, 07:24 AM   #152 (permalink)
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Or... you know, just buy the land the trailer is on, remove it, install a shop there?
That's an offer I had in mind, sub off the weird tip next to me, I buy cheep with shithole trailer to deal with (burn), and get a nice buffer for when/if it gets developed. Its all wetlands, I don't see how they can, but the town loves to let people build on wetlands

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Who the hell paves a temporary easement? Goddam driveway cost more than the trailer. Old twat could have sprinkled out some gravel and had enough leftover for a real house.

Also I'm in the "fence ASAP" camp.
Temp? They've been using it since '72

cliffnotes of the situation is that the guy who owned the house and barn just to the north of me, owned all the land at one time. He quit farming and they ran an old folks home out of the farmhouse (~70s) State said you couldn't live in the old folks home you were running, so he subbed off the farmhouse, and the lot where my house is. He built my house for him and his wife, and the trailer out back was brought in for an employee/alleged mistress. She was given the trailer, and an indefinite lease of the property for $1/year , and right of way to the trailer(~72). The people that built my house died(90s?), and the land was sold. Several people have owned the land with the trailer, but the old woman was a tenant you couldn't boot. She passed away in December so now the current owner is looking to cash out.
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Old 05-09-2019, 07:31 AM   #153 (permalink)
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Temp? They've been using it since '72
Well, yea. If the right of way died with the old lady... then the right way was temporary.

I'm sure this sort of thing varies greatly per state, but here you'd be absolutely fucked. Paved and in use for 40+ years the county would recognise it as a permanent right of way and no amount of signed paperwork would change their mind.

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I'm going to spinoff in my own thread, since the pic of the lot with satellite has been posted

I'm going to redo the driveway turn around, how would you do it? Driveway is a clusterfuck and the turn around crosses the boundary, I plan to fix that

EDIT: I'm lot 34 if you haven't been following

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Can we petition to have the easement revoked where Landslide is permitted unfettered access to post?

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In your head, Iím in there right now rent free you stinkin avocado kid. Clean this place up will you, itís like a fuckin landfill of trash in here.
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after the string line fence is set up, I would just dump gravel on my side for about 40' (or as much as you care to spread) or so widening the dick head end of the driveway from the drive to the property line.

leave the string line in place until you own the trailer property.

wet lands or not, it looks easy enough to dry out to put a subdivision on. if you can swing it, low ball the hell out of the real estate agent and make your fence a line of burning crosses behind the house and some massive islam nation banners along the front side of the house. keep all the peoples away
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I'm sure this sort of thing varies greatly per state, but here you'd be absolutely fucked. Paved and in use for 40+ years the county would recognise it as a permanent right of way and no amount of signed paperwork would change their mind.

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Thatís how it is here in Missouri.
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Since you're thinking about it, how about a lot line revision to buy the trailer and driveway and as much of the land as you can afford? You might have to give up an easment so they can get to the remainder of the lot from the 55' of frontage they have with the county road, or just don't buy a 55' width on the northern edge of lot 35 where it abuts the next lot to the north.
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Since you're thinking about it, how about a lot line revision to buy the trailer and driveway and as much of the land as you can afford? You might have to give up an easment so they can get to the remainder of the lot from the 55' of frontage they have with the county road, or just don't buy a 55' width on the northern edge of lot 35 where it abuts the next lot to the north.
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Old 05-09-2019, 12:21 PM   #162 (permalink)
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Here's the potential.... it could be a nice drive to a shop.. Think about this, how often does the adjacent land to land you own come up for sale.. answer, about once in a lifetime. It seems expensive now, but it definitely won't be cheaper the next time...
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his property touches the road, so theres no reason to give him an easement. fence off your property line and move on.
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It seems expensive now, but it definitely won't be cheaper the next time...
Resale on that vs. 'as is' with who-knows-what development around it would increase two or threefold likely.
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his property touches the road, so theres no reason to give him an easement. fence off your property line and move on.
The town wont allow a driveway with only 50' of road frontage. Has to be 150' in my town.
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The town wont allow a driveway with only 50' of road frontage. Has to be 150' in my town.
I think a zoning exemption is far more likely that a court mandated easement for a property that is not actually landlocked.
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I think a zoning exemption is far more likely that a court mandated easement for a property that is not actually landlocked.
Plausible position.
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I think a zoning exemption is far more likely that a court mandated easement for a property that is not actually landlocked.
Yes but the land owner would need to prove unnecessary hardship. If he could do that he would have already developed the 40 acre lot
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The town wont allow a driveway with only 50' of road frontage. Has to be 150' in my town.
heck most residential properties wouldn't be allowed to have driveways if it was 150' everywhere.

if it was truely land locked, I'd say yes, they could fight for using the existing, albeit expired, easement due to past history.

however, since its not, and while it may be quite the project to build a driveway, it is possible.

If they developed the property, the 50' won't be enough for a road to service multiple houses and I don't think any court would 'force' an easement so someone could develop it. now, if the city wanted it, they could try the eminent domain and take a strip along the property to make it wide enough for a road, but, I don't really see that happening unless the mayor is buying the property.
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heck most residential properties wouldn't be allowed to have driveways if it was 150' everywhere.

if it was truely land locked, I'd say yes, they could fight for using the existing, albeit expired, easement due to past history.

however, since its not, and while it may be quite the project to build a driveway, it is possible.

If they developed the property, the 50' won't be enough for a road to service multiple houses and I don't think any court would 'force' an easement so someone could develop it. now, if the city wanted it, they could try the eminent domain and take a strip along the property to make it wide enough for a road, but, I don't really see that happening unless the mayor is buying the property.
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Here's the potential.... it could be a nice drive to a shop.. Think about this, how often does the adjacent land to land you own come up for sale.. answer, about once in a lifetime. It seems expensive now, but it definitely won't be cheaper the next time...
This takes a piece of land that is not REALLY land locked and created a piece of property that IS actually landlocked.
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and from the city website:

https://www.rochesternh.net/sites/ro...on_4-15-15.pdf

7. max driveway width is 50'

8. All driveways shall be a minimum of 20’ wide, unless serving a single residential home.

which i'd assume to mean they would allow it to be narrower for a single residential.

there's not mention of min ROW frontage, which, I'd assume means that if you can fit a driveway, its wide enough.
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and from the city website:

https://www.rochesternh.net/sites/ro...on_4-15-15.pdf

7. max driveway width is 50'

8. All driveways shall be a minimum of 20í wide, unless serving a single residential home.

which i'd assume to mean they would allow it to be narrower for a single residential.

there's not mention of min ROW frontage, which, I'd assume means that if you can fit a driveway, its wide enough.
quoting driveway widths from the town doesn't mean shit. Its the frontage that matters and you are correct I dont see a stipulation on the residential site plan.
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the irony of someone wih a gadsden flag as their avatar typing this amuses me.

if you don't defend your private property, is it private anymore?
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And at what point does common sense and courtesy come to play.

Common sense would be to not buy a property with an easement in the first place. If it didn't bother you enough to pass on that particular piece of property then, why should it now?

Common courtesy would have been to approach the new person and ask them to figure something else out. Not just blocking the only access to their property and then getting mad when they just drive around it instead of being able to read your mind.
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