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Old 05-16-2019, 08:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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timing belts and engine wear

I bought a 2011 Crown Vic with 300k miles 12 mos ago and I'm wondering how to approach servicing the timing belt. I know very little of it's past maintenance records other than what I've done with it this past year. Basically I'm wondering if I should go ahead and attempt to replace it now, or wait til something starts to go wrong. I don't know how timing belts typically go bad...if they just break or start to stretch or what. If this is an interference engine I'm imagining a fairly bad event so I'd like to get educated and be pro active about it.

Second...Scotty Kilmer teaches that the worst wear an engine sees after changing the oil is before the oil gets pumped back into the filter and then into the engine components during the first engine restart. But he says if you disable the ignition spark somehow when cranking for the first time again, the lack of combustion in the cylinders helps with reducing this kind of wear quite a bit. I don't have an owner's manual and I'm not sure what fuse to pull to disable combustion ignition, or if removing a fuse would be the best way to do this. Any opinions on how this should be done?
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I'm wondering how to approach servicing the timing belt.
IIRC, the motor uses 2 timing chains-
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Who the fuck tries to disable the ignition after a oil change?

Pistons move regardless of spark, right?
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Who the fuck tries to disable the ignition after a oil change?

Pistons move regardless of spark, right?
Cranking it without it firing puts way less load on the bearings, well within the film strength of the residual oil in them, thus ensuring there is no undue wear.

Anyone who gives a fuck does it, along with pre-oiling the filter to capacity. Apparently you do not give a fuck though.
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Cranking it without it firing puts way less load on the bearings, well within the film strength of the residual oil in them, thus ensuring there is no undue wear.

Anyone who gives a fuck does it, along with pre-oiling the filter to capacity. Apparently you do not give a fuck though.


I know I dont. And yes thornbirds and good luck getting to the timing belt on that motor. Best advice i can give you is to keep pulling parts off the front till you get to it. Stop at the driveline and double check everything if you get that far.
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Cranking it without it firing puts way less load on the bearings, well within the film strength of the residual oil in them, thus ensuring there is no undue wear.

Anyone who gives a fuck does it, along with pre-oiling the filter to capacity. Apparently you do not give a fuck though.
You do know that pre oiling filters isnít always possible right?

And I donít ever remember a service manual telling me to disable the ignition after a oil change.
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You do know that pre oiling filters isn’t always possible right?

And I don’t ever remember a service manual telling me to disable the ignition after a oil change.
I had a motorcycle manual say so, but I cant remember which bike it was.

Edit: never mind, it wanted me to spin the engine over, but not start, to drain all the oil.
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I bought a 2011 Crown Vic with 300k
It will blow up if you do maintenance at this point. Best bet is to just drive it until it stops moving.
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Every time my cummins starts after sitting for more than a half hour it takes 4-5 seconds to build any pressure. It has 410k on it and has done that since new. I doubt doing anything special after an oil change makes any difference, but if it makes you feel good go for it. Worst that will happen is you will waste your time.
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Car doesn't have a timing belt, a quick google would've told you that. IF it's gotten an oil change every 3k, it's already been started and left to rattle for 2 seconds until it built oil pressure 100 times, plus any repairs that required draining the oil and when they built the fucker. If it blows up, go buy another $500-800 Crown Vic and repeat. If you're really attached to it you can junkyard a 4.6 for about the same money.

Turn Shouty Kilmer off while you're at it, the guy's a dipshit clickbait farmer and nothing more.
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I don’t know who Scotty Kilmer is, but he sounds like a A1 dip shit. Fill the fucker with oil and turn it on. It has 300,000 miles on it. You’re not suddenly going to extend its life significantly.

Are you the same dip shit that was afraid to change his diff fluid?

You’re talking about $500-$1500 car. Don’t stress so much about it. Are you a teenager?
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You do know that pre oiling filters isnít always possible right?

And I donít ever remember a service manual telling me to disable the ignition after a oil change.
Bullshit. You're a crappy mechanic and of course they didn't teach you a fucking thing working at Jiffy Lube.
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Who the fuck tries to disable the ignition after a oil change?
I'd go to the trouble on a fresh engine build or if it's been sitting in storage, etc. Not usually though.

A 300k crown vic? why bother. Like beat95 said, you aren't going to suddenly extend its life by taking all these extra precautions. The previous owner probably ran it dry and left the oil in for 20k oci intervals.
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Bullshit. You're a crappy mechanic and of course they didn't teach you a fucking thing working at Jiffy Lube.
Dude, your trolling game fucking blows. just stop. Lol
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Lmfao. I'm thinking your leaf is bunching up in your vag or you can't find your fucking moccasins.
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Cranking it without it firing puts way less load on the bearings, well within the film strength of the residual oil in them, thus ensuring there is no undue wear.

Anyone who gives a fuck does it, along with pre-oiling the filter to capacity. Apparently you do not give a fuck though.
that must be a jeep specific thing. Accounts for why jeeps are so much more reliable than toyotas
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Scotty Kilmer is a stupid fucker! Donít listen to the stupid shit he says. Change the oil. Donít disable the spark. Iíve never done that and never had a motor bite the dust. There is residual oil on the bearings and internal components that will keep wear on them from happening for the few seconds it takes to build pressure. Drive the bastard until it blows up. Buy another beater, repeat.
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Don't disable the spark, pull the distributor and prime the pump. Do this at every start up because when the engine is off the oil all ends up in the pan.

Pro tip: Once you prime the pump, never shut off the engine again and you won't have to worry about no oil to the bearings.
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Add some slick 50 to that bitch and keep a rocking....
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you're going to need the amsoil with this level of attention to detail toward your rusted out hooptie
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Add some slick 50 to that bitch and keep a rocking....
my manual on my crown vic says if I add slick 50 to each oil change, I can run an extra 1000miles after all the oil has leaked out. gets me to 3500mile between oil changes
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I donít know who Scotty Kilmer is, but he sounds like a A1 dip shit. Fill the fucker with oil and turn it on. It has 300,000 miles on it. Youíre not suddenly going to extend its life significantly.

Are you the same dip shit that was afraid to change his diff fluid?

Youíre talking about $500-$1500 car. Donít stress so much about it. Are you a teenager?
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