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Old 05-22-2019, 07:35 AM   #26 (permalink)
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You hit on a point that I think has been the game plan from day one. You can't mount an offense if you are constantly on the defense and that is exactly where they want to keep him for if the tide ever turns...their asses are burnt.

Right, wrong or made up...just keep throwing something in the path.
At this point they are hoping to run out the clock and get back in power so they can avoid being held to the fire for all their BS.
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Old 05-22-2019, 07:41 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Fyi Obama could still be impeached
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This is the guy who told Al Sharpton he supports for Reparations for slavery.






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Another person with selective memory. Try being honest for once instead of rabidly partisan.
Geez, here you go again reminding us you have no rational perspective.
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Geez, here you go again reminding us you have no rational perspective.
And you ignore reality.
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And you ignore reality.
and you're really ignorant
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New York lawmakers passed a bill giving Congress a way to obtain President Trump’s state tax returns, opening a new front in a heated battle.

Even before he was elected president, Donald J. Trump had steadfastly refused to release his federal tax returns, bucking years of tradition among presidential candidates.

Now, however, a nine-page workaround by the New York State Legislature may serve as a way for Congress to get its hands on a trove of Mr. Trump’s tax information.
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Old 05-22-2019, 10:36 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Lotta I words in the above. Surreal, Neal. And {gary}. There is an I in giz, but not in Stegosaurus you old lizard.
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Old 05-22-2019, 10:45 AM   #33 (permalink)
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regarding trumps taxes, the concern is not at all about legality of his filings. he lives under audit, those will be dealt with in typical fashion

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/08/opini...nio/index.html

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(CNN) — The New York Times has published great gobs of data from information it received from Donald Trump's Internal Revenue Service tax transcripts between 1985 and 1994. At last some hard facts have been found with which to compare the hype that Trump peddled to claim for himself a spot among the most brilliant moneymakers in the universe.

What are the big takeaways from the numbers? Hold on to your hats because, as Trump might say, the news is yuuuuge.

It turns out that young Trump's claim to great riches was, at times, completely made up. He was, instead, desperately burdened by debt that topped $1 billion. It seems that his business acumen was at best questionable, at worst fake -- as were his vast profits. Says the Times: "Over all, Mr. Trump lost so much money that he was able to avoid paying income taxes for eight of the 10 years." The man Trump presented in his book "The Art of the Deal" was a fiction.
more at link, headline is "The Trump Revelation We've Been Waiting For: The Emporer Had No Dough"

basically it is just talking about how elated they are that the man Donald trump is not, according to his tax returns, wealthy. similar to the 2015/2016 runup where that talk was about how he had many bankruptcies and how his stated wealth diverged from public information. as such, Trump values his 'brand' at billions and forbes thinks it is less. those types of things are difficult to value.

the long and the short of it highlights why 'taxes are for poor people' and why the dems 'eat the rich' will always be a failure. it is very easy for somebody to travel in company jets and such while having little to their name, and it is even easier to give the appearance if your name is the company.

Big ass TRUMP on your tower or plane? Easy, that is corporate owned stuff and not the man. the man invests every penny into the corporate. Please reference any number of @ParadiseAutoElectric posts for the difference between a person and a business regarding legal entity status.

so folks want his tax returns to 'prove' that the man is not as wealthy as he says he is it isn't about looking for illegal contributions or illegal activity, that is what the years of audit are there for.

the whole thing has been and will continue to be a great big Nobody Should Give a Fuck.
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Old 05-22-2019, 11:08 AM   #34 (permalink)
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It's all political show. They are only trying to take Trump down. No other reason what-so-ever.

But just for kicks because anything the Dem's get ahold of will be leaked and the public will find out, here's what a search comes up.

Wiki - Wealth of Donald Trump.
The net worth of Donald Trump, the 45th President of the United States, is approximately $3.1 billion according to Forbes as of 5 March 2019, whereas Bloomberg estimated his wealth at $2.8 billion.

300 million difference isn't petty change to most of us. So that really is a big difference between the two estimates.
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and his own estimate is like $7billion

who cares? I care less about private sector than public sector.

he is also donating his salary as president? why? because he is just such a nice guy....and it also means he doesn't have a taxable income.
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And you ignore reality.
it has become blatantly obvious to everyone, that you are vastly superior in intellect to the person you have belittled with your statement.

Therefore, it could prove helpful to him, and to the rest of us, if you could pinpoint precisely what reality he is ignoring or has ignored? Thanks.
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he is also donating his salary as president? why? because he is just such a nice guy....and it also means he doesn't have a taxable income.
hmmm. im not sure that is how that works. unless he has instructed the US government to give him zero salary or then put the equivalence of his salary into some charity, that could work.

but if not done that way he would still have to show his salary as income as it would be stated on a W-2, and then show that it was donated to a charity.

also, he would still have taxable income from capital gains, rental properties, dividends etc.


So no, i doubt trump not accepting his presidential yearly salary means he has no taxable income.
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Politics is a joke and both sides are retards. I hate every one of those lying, stealing fuckers.
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they keep this up and I might just vote for him again just cause.
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Old 05-22-2019, 11:56 AM   #40 (permalink)
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hmmm. im not sure that is how that works. unless he has instructed the US government to give him zero salary or then put the equivalence of his salary into some charity, that could work.

but if not done that way he would still have to show his salary as income as it would be stated on a W-2, and then show that it was donated to a charity.

also, he would still have taxable income from capital gains, rental properties, dividends etc.


So no, i doubt trump not accepting his presidential yearly salary means he has no taxable income.
he would still need to file, but if all of his earned income is deducted them his taxable income would be nil.

same as a business that runs a loss or has a substantial loss. it offsets all the income and can even be carried forward to offset future taxable income in certain cases.

an easy example, I rented out a home that I owned for several years. because I am a terrible business person, I was never able to have taxable income related to the venture. in fact, it reduced the taxable amount of my other source earned income. I was able to move money from the tenants to the bank, but not at a high enough rate to offset the maint/advertising/care/depreciation of the property.

while I did gross income, the taxable income was always zero or less. I made no money.

if the president is earning $400k on a W2, then he surely has that shown as gross income. if it is all deducted as a donation/whatever else is allowed, then he could easily have $0 of it be taxable income. if he has substantial losses carried forward, he could even have up to those losses of income that he hangs on to for living expenses and still have a $0 taxable income.

even better, if the company has all the money and he has none, then he can live off company support and have no taxable income. that is why "his brand" and other intangible property can have such a high stated value and drive up his estimates.

I'm not calling the dude poor, but I seriously thing that there are folks who believe that this guy has ~$3bil or more in cash sitting in a series of swimming pools and that is just not (likely) the case
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they keep this up and I might just vote for him again just cause.
hell I might just vote for him just because for the first time
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Selective memory again ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effort...h_Barack_Obama

Also, Faux News beat the impeachment drum on Obama incessantly.

This whole "impeachment nonsense" from both sides needs to cease.
I honestly don't remember the calls for obama impeachment being any where near the levels they are now against trump.
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Actually that's a good day...A sad day is when one party has complete control whether it's liberal or conservative..
I hope they do start an Impeachment. It will be a huge backfire fail. I also feel the Dims will attempt it because we know the media will spin it negatively against Trump 24/7 and keep the attention off those who were involved in the coup against his election. Clinton was the master of deflection.

If you don't want to be anywhere with a one party in Control, stay out of the liberal states. Cali for one is a supermajority state. State representative Repugs are useless there.
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I honestly don't remember the calls for obama impeachment being any where near the levels they are now against trump.
I sure a hell don't remember impeachment talk against Obama starting from the time he was elected either. The apologists for Dems and Obama nutswingers will say otherwise.
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How the fuck do they not realize!!!!!!
No one is fking paying attention to their bs anymore (except LS).... not even their own!!!!!
They keep this up they’re sunk for 2020, especially with their selection of goons!!!!!


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But people are listening. Where do you think all this national popular vote shit is coming from? Dump the Electoral because California and New York are Democratic states. This would pick the POTUS from now on. They couldnt even win a fixed election, so they will get around it any way they can.

AND, look at the loser people that have been voted into office. You can tell me honestly that AOC is a qualified Congress person? How about Booker, or any number of those fools. This is also from both sides.

Look at the Abortion thing going on. A lot of people are learning what law abiding gun owners have had to deal with. Stupid laws that dont really do anything, but take your rights away. I say to bad. We have made this monster and now we have to live with our creation.

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Will the Dems go full retard and impeachment proceedings against President Trump?
Full retard, only a matter of whether it is done on Pelosi's timetable or the Trump's, and whether or not Pelosi is still the Speaker when it happens.

At this point, I think the only way the House doesn't vote on Impeachment is if enough moderate Dems, change their party affiliation to "I" or "R", giving the none Socialists the majority where they then remove Pelosi as Speaker and appoint committees according to the new joint majority of non-Socialists.
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Fuck em. Start the proceedings today. No sense in delaying the shit show. Either its valid and it'll pan out how they want or it's bullshit and their idiocy will be exposed. Give them the rope and see who gets hung. I'm tired of the talking, shit or get off the pot.
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Selective memory again ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effort...h_Barack_Obama

Also, Faux News beat the impeachment drum on Obama incessantly.

This whole "impeachment nonsense" from both sides needs to cease.
My wife watches Fox every night. (I surf the net) I don't recall fox ever calling for his impeachment. Also, one other observation, the only host that called Obozo a "lier" was Judge Janine. This when we had obvious proof that he lied multiple times about stuff that was important to the American people. (Not some bs about inaugural crowd size)

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With Obama, crimes were committed. Benghazi to fast & furious where people died.
To prove my unbiased view, I have to call this out. While Benghazi and F and F piss me off, I don't see the crime there. (By an American) The both investigations were just as stupid as Russia.

On the other hand, crimes were committed in the IRS scandal and that was brushed under the rug. (After Obozo said he would get to the bottom of it)

One other related point, the Supreme Court ruled that Obozo broke the law in appointing judges. This is not a claim of law braking without proof. It was ruled on by the court. Certainly impeachment should have been considered then. I never heard a peep.

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How the fuck do they not realize!!!!!!
No one is fking paying attention to their bs anymore (except LS).... not even their own!!!!!
They keep this up they’re sunk for 2020, especially with their selection of goons!!!!!
They have no chance of winning the top office, but there's still a battle for congress. (Unfortunately)

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I, too, must have missed the Obama 2-year, 20+ million dollar special counsel investigation, with 30+ people indicted for things that were pretty much unrelated to the original intent of that special counsel. I also must have missed the everyday / every channel incessant reporting on the Obama impeachment discussion, not to mention the never-ending house judiciary committee hearings... calling Obama's family members and personal acquaintances to testify.
Again, the pubs wasted tons of time and money on Benghazi. The lying about it by Obozo pissed me off, but I don't see the crime they were investigating. The rest of your post is correct.
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This thread hurt your feelers? Need a safe space?

I got plenty to do so don’t worry yourself over that. I posted this thread on my way to work, multitasking see.
No safe spaces exist, I just feel your rabid "look at what fools the dems are now" (like they weren't always) ten times a day is a waste of bandwidth.


I wonder if the dipshit in the Tahoe thought he was multitasking?

But carry on, It must bring you joy, twas the last thread I clicked on before going to work. No cell service, minus a 30 day stint with boost mobile a few months ago, I haven't had service in over a year, try it sometime, Or I could get an Obam…. Bush phone would ya like that?
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No safe spaces exist, I just feel your rabid "look at what fools the dems are now" (like they weren't always) ten times a day is a waste of bandwidth.
You can always go hang in the non-hardcore Jeep forum, Nancy.
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