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Old 05-23-2019, 06:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Track Hoe / Loader - is this decent?

I am building a Dump Truck business.

So far I have a Dump Truck and a driver.

I want to selling selling fill dirt as it is pretty profitable.

Idea is to purchase crappy slopped property and sell the dirt off it till it is a nice flat lot.

Trying to keep low budget / smart purchases.

Looking for a loader that will be kept on site for years at a time.

This one was for sale a few months ago and was sold before I could look at it.

It just came back on the market as the buyer couldn't complete the deal (says seller)

Anyway it is this old as fuck Detroit powered Insley H800

Owner says runs / work fine with no issues.

$8,500 is the asking price?

What do you guys who know about this shit think?



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Old 05-23-2019, 06:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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This is not a smart purchase! At least buy one with the cab on the right side. Be careful about selling dirt. If you don’t play your cards right you would be considered mining and without a permit it’s bad news.

The correct way to do in is develop a site plan for a “development” that requires the hill to be removed. Get that plan approved through the local government then go to town. It’s a way to circumvent the mining permit process witch is lengthy expensive and gets all the nimbys worked up.

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Old 05-23-2019, 06:38 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I am building a Dump Truck business.

So far I have a Dump Truck and a driver.

I want to selling selling fill dirt as it is pretty profitable.

Idea is to purchase crappy slopped property and sell the dirt off it till it is a nice flat lot.

Trying to keep low budget / smart purchases.

Looking for a loader that will be kept on site for years at a time.

This one was for sale a few months ago and was sold before I could look at it.

It just came back on the market as the buyer couldn't complete the deal (says seller)

Anyway it is this old as fuck Detroit powered Insley H800

Owner says runs / work fine with no issues.

$8,500 is the asking price?

What do you guys who know about this shit think?



That thing looks older than dirt (pun intended)
Maybe buy it and upgrade ASAP once you make a few $$$
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Old 05-23-2019, 06:41 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Thats a narrow bucket for what you want to do.
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My uncle had a excavation business all his life and I don't think he ever owned a track hoe. All his dirt moving was usually done with a dump truck and a track loader. I think one of those would be much more useful unless you want to dig a lot of trenches on the property you are farming dirt off of.
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Old 05-23-2019, 06:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Thats a narrow bucket for what you want to do.
It prolly doesn’t have the power to pull a wider one through the ground lol.
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Old 05-23-2019, 06:44 PM   #7 (permalink)
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My uncle had a excavation business all his life and I don't think he ever owned a track hoe. All his dirt moving was usually done with a dump truck and a track loader. I think one of those would be much more useful unless you want to dig a lot of trenches on the property you are farming dirt off of.
Lol wtf kind of excavator doesn’t own a excavator. Tracked loaders imo are pos.
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Not sure where you are digging, but most of the fill dirt taken to level land around here just uses a front end loader to scrape the dirt flat and load over the side of a truck much faster than that can.
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Seems expensive to me but I’m no expert. Any idea what the hours are on it? How many yards are you planning on moving a day? Undercarriage in halfway decent shape? I’m sure that thing is going to be slow as hell to regarding cycle times.
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Thats a narrow bucket for what you want to do.
Yes that bucket is narrow as fuck, did not notice that.
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Not sure where you are digging, but most of the fill dirt taken to level land around here just uses a front end loader to scrape the dirt flat and load over the side of a truck much faster than that can.
I've never seen one at a price I can afford.

I am working with a small budget right now.

I could work up to getting one but looking for something right now that I could use and sell one day for not much less than what I paid.
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Old 05-23-2019, 06:54 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Not sure where you are digging, but most of the fill dirt taken to level land around here just uses a front end loader to scrape the dirt flat and load over the side of a truck much faster than that can.
around chere also

if it's a one man thing, dudes are using farm tractors with loaders. spend down time getting the dirt piled and then load as needed
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Refresh my memory, is the op the guy that makes the creepy videos? or is he the guy with the broken jeep (and life) and needs our help?, or is he the guy with the girlfriends that turn into lesbians?

Its getting harder to tell these guys apart so I just lump them together manbearpig style.

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Old 05-23-2019, 06:59 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I've never seen one at a price I can afford.

I am working with a small budget right now.

I could work up to getting one but looking for something right now that I could use and sell one day for not much less than what I paid.
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around chere also

if it's a one man thing, dudes are using farm tractors with loaders. spend down time getting the dirt piled and then load as needed
I think paragon got it right in saying get a tractor with a loader on it. Yes slower than a dedicated loader, but still easier and faster than that. But also remember, you need something to level the lot decent after and with a tractor, you can get a disc and a blade of some sort to pull across and level.
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Refresh my memory, is the op the guy that makes the creepy videos? or is he the guy with the broken jeep (and life) and needs our help?, or is he the guy with the girlfriends that turn into lesbians?

Its getting harder to tell these guys apart so I just lump them together manbearpig style.

None of that rings a bell. Asshole

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I think paragon got it right in saying get a tractor with a loader on it. Yes slower than a dedicated loader, but still easier and faster than that. But also remember, you need something to level the lot decent after and with a tractor, you can get a disc and a blade of some sort to pull across and level.

That is a thought but one thing I like about the larger machine is I can leave it on site, out in the country, on a lot I don't live on, and not worry too much about it walking off.
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Refresh my memory, is the op the guy that makes the creepy videos? or is he the guy with the broken jeep (and life) and needs our help?, or is he the guy with the girlfriends that turn into lesbians?

Its getting harder to tell these guys apart so I just lump them together manbearpig style.

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Refresh my memory, is the op the guy that makes the creepy videos? or is he the guy with the broken jeep (and life) and needs our help?, or is he the guy with the girlfriends that turn into lesbians?

Its getting harder to tell these guys apart so I just lump them together manbearpig style.

I thought he was the wanna-be car dealer
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Old 05-23-2019, 07:13 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Buying old worn out obsolete machines is to make money with is always a good idea. Especially ones that require a special permit to move.. Ignore the naysayers, I think this is a fabulous idea...
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Old 05-23-2019, 07:21 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I thought he was the wanna-be car dealer
I'm actually the fucker who years ago when I was at a low point of my life and reached out to some internet friends was told to get his shit together and start making money again instead of wallowing in my shit about losing much of the $$ I made previously.

That's who the fuck I am.

So yes I run a small used car dealership and am working on building this dirt business up at the same time.

Something wrong with that?

On other threads here people have mentioned how insustructable these old Detroit engines are so I thought this machine might work for me.

Reason I am looking for a Hoe is here in east Tn while we have a lot of good dirt there are also large boulders, so having a hoe would allow to toss the boulders aside and those can be sold separately. A loader wont do that for me.
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Also since not a single person here said it looks like a decent machine for the price I will keep looking.

Planning on going to a Heavy Equipment Auction on June 1st.

Will likely spend much more than the price of this machine.

I thought Pirate was all about old heavy duty machines that can get the job done for the cheap, those days are gone.

Perhaps I'll ask my dad if he wants to see me in a $100k machine that I can go into debt for.
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Also since not a single person here said it looks like a decent machine for the price I will keep looking.

Planning on going to a Heavy Equipment Auction on June 1st.

Will likely spend much more than the price of this machine.

I thought Pirate was all about old heavy duty machines that can get the job done for the cheap, those days are gone.

Perhaps I'll ask my dad if he wants to see me in a $100k machine that I can go into debt for.
The fact that he is basically asking scrap value for a running machine should be telling on its value. Something like that is good for an old farmer to play with to dig a pond and take out an occasional tree. If you are wanting to rely on it to work it looks like a money pit that could easily total itself out with one small break if parts are even available. some forums from google say it's more like a steam shovel with two levers and 4 pedals and a full body workout to use, not 2 joysticks like modern machines. Check purplewave.com for auction machines. Old machines can be found to suit your needs but I'd stick with a brand name that is still in business.
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Or you could go offer him $5k and call it a bargain if he bites.
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I thought Pirate was all about old heavy duty machines that can get the job done for the cheap, those days are gone.
No, they're not gone. The issue is that thing is neither cheap or going to get the job done. Plus yes, the cab is on the wrong side and really expensive to change it over......
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This is not a smart purchase! At least buy one with the cab on the right side.
the cab is on the right side
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