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Old 06-08-2019, 07:50 AM   #26 (permalink)
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There's 15K worth of extras on that thing. It's like your getting the Jeep for free.

Still might be overpaying for the jeep.
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Old 06-08-2019, 08:00 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Old 06-08-2019, 08:13 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Move the rear end back 2", get the ride height down, trim/cut whatever the tires rub on, get the spare inside rear compartment and I bet it'll wheel like a little beast.
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Leave it as-is, find 7-10 midgets with clown suits & kazoos, and have 'em do Chinese fire drills in it for halftime entertainment at monster truck shows.

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Lots of jealousy in this thread.
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Old 06-08-2019, 08:39 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Looks pretty clean. If it passes a test drive I would have 10,500 in cash with me as it is still a bit of a niche demand vehicle and the dealer just wants it gone.
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Lots of jealousy in this thread.
Considering none of them actually wheel themselves
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Old 06-08-2019, 09:59 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Curious, why? Suspension travel? Seems well set up for weekend warrior stuff
It basically has a LJ Rubicon express long arm under it. Not terrible, but the rear geometry is based off the factory axle mounts, which do not offer the most ideal geometry. Especially when using a panhard and trying to get a reasonable amount of travel.

The front suspension is a radius arm design. These kits are pretty notorious for giving a lot of ani-dive on climbs, while wheel hopping as the driver rear tire attempts to drive up under the rear door. Now, add to that, that a KJ has a much heavier spring weight, in a much taller package that will give a lot high center of gravity, and I'd imagine it likes to very quickly and very radically get unstable under ledge and off camber bolder climbs.

This would be a lot more capable with a very limited rear travel. Move the lowers up on the axle side, truss the housing and mount the uppers inboard further and on top the diff. Mount bump pads under the chassis rails (not outside them in the coil mounts), move the frame side upper upwards into the floor pan. Swap to a 3 link front suspension with custom axle side mounts with more vertical separation and a lower the ride height. Basically set the front end up to float/articulate while locking the rear axle to the chassis with 6-8" of travel per side, keeping the bumps only a few inches off the housing to allow it to pivot off them. This will keep the violence of the sprung weight to a minimum.

I've fixed a lot of unibody jeeps that came to me setup like this. They do not work in the mountains of Arkansas where everything is off camber, pointed up the side of a mountain. Maybe it would work in flatter regions.

Good way to test a jeep like this?

1) go to empty parking lot.

2) put the t-case in high range.

3) cut steering wheel all the way to the left

4) load the brakes at 1200RPM

5) let off the brakes as you smash the gas.

Results: Does it lift the driver front tire off the ground as the passenger front tire tries to drive under the engine and the rear driver tire tries to drive under the rear door? Does the radius arm bind cause the front tires to lose traction as the whole front axle hops and plants itself back level on the ground? Is your butt now eating seat because you thought you were gonna roll it in the parking lot on a test drive?

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Old 06-08-2019, 10:04 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Looks pretty clean. If it passes a test drive I would have 10,500 in cash with me as it is still a bit of a niche demand vehicle and the dealer just wants it gone.
just don't rawhide it in the test drive and kill the transmission or the seller will youtube tell on ya
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It basically has a LJ Rubicon express long arm under it. Not terrible, but the rear geometry is based off the factory axle mounts, which do not offer the most ideal geometry. Especially when using a panhard and trying to get a reasonable amount of travel.

The front suspension is a radius arm design. These kits are pretty notorious for giving a lot of ani-dive on climbs, while wheel hopping as the driver rear tire attempts to drive up under the rear door. Now, add to that, that a KJ has a much heavier spring weight, in a much taller package that will give a lot high center of gravity, and I'd imagine it likes to very quickly and very radically get unstable under ledge and off camber bolder climbs.

This would be a lot more capable with a very limited rear travel. Move the lowers up on the axle side, truss the housing and mount the uppers inboard further and on top the diff. Mount bump pads under the chassis rails (not outside them in the coil mounts), move the frame side upper upwards into the floor pan. Swap to a 3 link front suspension with custom axle side mounts with more vertical separation and a lower the ride height. Basically set the front end up to float/articulate while locking the rear axle to the chassis with 6-8" of travel per side, keeping the bumps only a few inches off the housing to allow it to pivot off them. This will keep the violence of the sprung weight to a minimum.

I've fixed a lot of unibody jeeps that came to me setup like this. They do not work in the mountains of Arkansas where everything is off camber, pointed up the side of a mountain. Maybe it would work in flatter regions.

Good way to test a jeep like this?

1) go to empty parking lot.

2) put the t-case in high range.

3) cut steering wheel all the way to the left

4) load the brakes at 1200RPM

5) let off the brakes as you smash the gas.

Results: Does it lift the driver front tire off the ground as the passenger front tire tries to drive under the engine and the rear driver tire tries to drive under the rear door? Does the radius arm bind cause the front tires to lose traction as the whole front axle hops and plants itself back level on the ground? Is your butt now eating seat because you thought you were gonna roll it in the parking lot on a test drive?
Crap man, look at what itís under, itís not a a U4 car or a bouncer, just a modified mall crawler / trail cruiser.
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Old 06-08-2019, 10:34 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Crap man, look at what it’s under, it’s not a a U4 car or a bouncer, just a modified mall crawler / trail cruiser.
I was answering dudes question of why.

I don't do high speed u4 stuff or bounce. I rec wheel unibody jeeps. That's where my knowledge lays. I'm tellin' ya, that jeep will be a floppy mess just doing normal trail riding in the rocks. So many people compensate with big ass tires, on one ton axles and v8 motors because their rigs don't work right and they have too little seat time on 35's and stock axles. I'd say 40% (probably way more) of the home builders (and a lot of shops) deal with sketchy ass setups that don't wheel worth a shit in the first place. So YMMV.

If cruising the mall or just doing 2 and 3 diamond trails is your thing. This would be perfect. If you want to do harder trails, expect to flop a lot and get denied way too often.

Redoing the suspension wouldn't be that costly or time consuming. And it has a ton of great parts. Totally worth the time and effort in my opinion.

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Old 06-08-2019, 10:54 AM   #36 (permalink)
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If cruising the mall or just doing 2 and 3 diamond trails is your thing. This would be perfect. If you want to do harder trails, expect to flop a lot and get denied way too often.
The owner can say I have "xyz parts" while posting up on insta how badass his rig is. It's not meant to wheel, it's meant to look cool while it climbs over ant hills.
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Are you blind, looking at this on potato? Or have you never actually seen an axle before? That doesn't even look like a bolt together Quick change. That's a High Pinion Currie RockJock with a "jock strap". And currie makes RockJock's in D44, D60 and D70.

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I guess I havnt seen a curry rock jock but I still say it looks similar to a quick change.

Here is the one in the OP and "quick change rear end" first few images on google.
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I guess I havnt seen a curry rock jock but I still say it looks similar to a quick change.

Here is the one in the OP and "quick change rear end" first few images on google.
I understood your thought process. It just made it clear you didn't know much about aftermarket axles. Not a big deal. People seem to think what they know is common knowledge.
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The gf has a 2005 Liberty - 6spd. The autos like to blow head gaskets (or crack heads)... just a matter of time. These OHC heads cannot be decked.

The seating is ok for short people. (I get by for a few hours at 6'3" & 175#) Lumbar support is absent. Cargo space is limited, so much so that the Nitro and 08+ Liberty were designed with more. Really makes me crave at least a Durango.

For that level of build, an XJ is a better choice.
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I used to see that thing all the time here in COS over the years. I think the guy that built it worked at one of the Firestone places here in town. I could be wrong but I sure haven't seen any other bright orange, built, KJs.
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Thread ends with a 2019 post that it had been totaled. ?????



Maybe that's why it has a rebuilt title.
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I guess I havnt seen a curry rock jock but I still say it looks similar to a quick change.

Here is the one in the OP and "quick change rear end" first few images on google.
I've owned both so maybe it's just me. But the first picture looks nothing at all like the quick change pictures. Even in black i can see the flange bolts that bolt the axle tubes to the center section. LP vs HP etc. Only thing in common is dressed out they're both about $5K for a rear axle new.
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Has a rebuilt title, don't care, I'll more than likely trash it anyway.
Offer him a depreciated sum of the after market parts in a cash offer. 8-10k? I don't see any harm in making an offer that hurts someone's feelings in these situations
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I guess I havnt seen a curry rock jock but I still say it looks similar to a quick change.

Here is the one in the OP and "quick change rear end" first few images on google.
no worries, dude has a stick up his ass with the branches pointing south

I saw what you were talking about. The angle of the pic and the way some of those pictures are squeezed made it look like some kind of narrow housing
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I say buy it. When you blow it up or roll it three times, I'm ready to give you $1200 for the axles. Delivered to Evergreen, of course.
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Move the rear end back 2", get the ride height down, trim/cut whatever the tires rub on, get the spare inside rear compartment and I bet it'll wheel like a little beast.
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