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Old 06-12-2019, 09:31 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I disagree. If drug legislation worked, we wouldnt have the opioid problem we have today.
The opioid problem exists largely because of prohibition.
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My Grandpa passed when I was pretty young, one of the only things i remember him telling me is "you cant legislate common sense or morality"
Sounds like a smart man.
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Old 06-12-2019, 09:33 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Then EVERYTHING should be technically illegal, yes?
As long as we are granted civil liberties which includes the right to self-governance. That's the crux with legalization of certain acts which should be morally instilled but isn't because people have no responsibility over the act. The state or federal governments have taken the burden by promising safeguards and "justice" for all. Remove the bumpers and society might actually have to act accordingly.
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The opioid problem exists largely because of prohibition.
Agreed, attempted legislation of "morality" only creates problems
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Ignorant and wrong.
Not necessarily. If states operated as individual states like they're supposed to, he actually might have a point.
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Agreed, attempted legislation of "morality" only creates problems
I actually read your earlier post as "legalization", not "legislation". We agree.
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Not necessarily. If states operated as individual states like they're supposed to, he actually might have a point.
Except that ultimately, freedom benefits us all.
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I disagree. If drug legislation worked, we wouldnt have the opioid problem we have today.
It was a sarcastic remark


Making things illegal never solves the problem. Unless you happen to own a empty jail.
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Except that ultimately, freedom benefits us all.
What I'm getting at is that he if he is in a different state, and states were operating like they should be, where each states legislates individually. Then he would have a point: what NY does could very well have zero effect on him.

I'm right there with you though.
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How about NO.

Sorry, but I'm so tired of that sentiment. Stop with the "legalize" and "tax" bullshit. How about just legalize the shit and leave people the fuck alone to enjoy it. Taxing means more government which is why it was made illegal in the first place.
In everyone's dreams...

And how about a THE VERY REASON IT WILL REMAIN ILLEGAL UNTIL IT IS TAXED???

There's no way in hell it will ever be legalized without taxing it???
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What I'm getting at is that he if he is in a different state, and states were operating like they should be, where each states legislates individually. Then he would have a point: what NY does could very well have zero effect on him.
That's the way they operate now. Just because NY makes it legal, doesn't mean it'll become legal in any other state. It's already legal at the federal level, and unless SCOTUS strikes down a prostitution law, states are fully within their power to regulate it.
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In everyone's dreams...

And how about a THE VERY REASON IT WILL REMAIN ILLEGAL UNTIL IT IS TAXED???

There's no way in hell it will ever be legalized without taxing it???
Correct. Just like with drugs, it requires regulation. No one will ever accept the idea of minors trading sex, there will always be health concerns that can be mitigated with licensing requirements, and enforcement costs money.
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That's the way they operate now. Just because NY makes it legal, doesn't mean it'll become legal in any other state. It's already legal at the federal level, and unless SCOTUS strikes down a prostitution law, states are fully within their power to regulate it.
Oh really? I thought it was illegal at the federal level.

Huh. I'll take your word. But might need to look that up.
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Oh really? I thought it was illegal at the federal level.

Huh. I'll take your word. But might need to look that up.
I believe federal law really only covers "sex trafficking" and "child prostitution"


Beyond that, I don't believe it addresses prostitution between consenting adults. Which may surprise some, given my beliefs...I happen to agree.

I'm a firm believer in not being able to legislate common sense OR morality for that matter.

In fact whay have any law that defines crime beyond that very definition... like "hate crime"?

I thought ALL crime was based in that. Be it self loathing or dismissing the rights of others. Do we really need to spell out the difference between murdering a human being to the extent of basing it on race?

Murder is murder.

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wont pass

the idiots of today think all prostitutes are forced into it and dont want to to do it but have no other choice, or they are human trafficking sex slaves and/or underage

like all guns are bad and should be banned

like drugs are bad and should be banned

like all abortions are bad and should be banned




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wont pass

the idiots of today think all prostitutes are forced into it and dont want to to do it but have no other choice, or they are human trafficking sex slaves and/or underage

like all guns are bad and should be banned

like drugs are bad and should be banned

like all abortions are bad and should be banned




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In everyone's dreams...

And how about a THE VERY REASON IT WILL REMAIN ILLEGAL UNTIL IT IS TAXED???

There's no way in hell it will ever be legalized without taxing it???
That's stupid logic, but oh well...
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Correct. Just like with drugs, it requires regulation. No one will ever accept the idea of minors trading sex, there will always be health concerns that can be mitigated with licensing requirements, and enforcement costs money.
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I believe federal law really only covers "sex trafficking" and "child prostitution"


Beyond that, I don't believe it addresses prostitution between consenting adults. Which may surprise some, given my beliefs...I happen to agree.

I'm a firm believer in not being able to legislate common sense OR morality for that matter.

In fact whay have any law that defines crime beyond that very definition... like "hate crime"?

I thought ALL crime was based in that. Be it self loathing or dismissing the rights of others. Do we really need to spell out the difference between murdering a human being to the extent of basing it on race?

Murder is murder.

The proposed bill in N.Y. specifically keeps trafficking, coercion, and minors illegal. It's a bill addressing "consenting adults".
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Then EVERYTHING should be technically illegal, yes?
You looked around lately Sure seems like EVERYTHING is.

But that's not what I said.
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Unfortunately I think it's doomed to failure, but I hope not.
IMO this is long overdue.
I don't think it's doomed. I think Prostitution and Psychedelics are getting legalized in the next 5-10 years. You're a bit more forward-looking (not saying liberal) than other fossils your age, but my generation is, I think, "just legalize prostitution, weed, and gay marriage so we can talk about other more important shit" mentality.

I don't care who anyone fucks.
I don't care if you smoke weed don't blow that disgusting stinky shit in my face.
If a woman wants to make money on her back, she should have the protection of society and pay taxes, pimps sent to prison.
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...and Psychedelics are getting legalized in the next 5-10 years.
Shrooms are now legal in Denver...
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If shrooms are ever legalized, like weed, I feel there will be a tremendous amount of possible medical use to be explored.

And if prostitution is ever legalized... Hmmm, I guess I feel there will be a lot less sandwiches made.
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Since when do we agree on things?
since you started realizing both republicans and democrats are equally stupid
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