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Old 06-16-2019, 09:32 PM   #26 (permalink)
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look for $1800 just tell me what knives they want wants ill go bang them out of 1095 and they will be the sharpest thing you have ever laid your hands on but you will have to keep them oiled.


Cutco is just 440A steel and its not worth a shit
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Old 06-16-2019, 09:34 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Garbage overpriced stamped steel knives sold by multi-level marketing sales droids.

Go buy yourself some decent German or Japanese forged knives that you can sharpen yourself.
German knives are largely Garbage these days.

Shun and the Japanese production knives generally use what is effectively 440c, while it gets sharp edge holding is ok.... Keep that baby honed.


But support your local knife makers. Order something custom.

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Old 06-16-2019, 09:42 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I've tried 'em.... I figure I have better knives already. One of Cutco's selling points is free sharpening... which you should know how to do anyway.
jeez its not like sharpening is that expensive, i usually charge $.75/inch or $.50 if you have ordered a knife from me.
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Old 06-16-2019, 09:49 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Get a job, hippie.
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German knives are largely Garbage these days.

Shun and the Japanese production knives generally use what is effectively 440c, while it gets sharp edge holding is ok.... Keep that baby honed.


But support your local knife makers. Order something custom.
yeah the best knives are ones that will rust pretty quick, which nearly no one has. Nearly everything is crap anymore, unless you make it yourself.
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My brother bought a set for himself, and then tried to sell them to other people. You probably don't get to be a salesperson if you don't buy them but I can't say for sure. Its been 30 yrs since he got involved with that and he's dead now so I can't ask how his knife sales ended up.
Sounds like his sales flatlined.
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yeah the best knives are ones that will rust pretty quick, which nearly no one has. Nearly everything is crap anymore, unless you make it yourself.
The ones that rust quick I found could be sharpened to razor edge, but you'd need to sharpen them again basically the very next time you used them. I firmly believe in German forged ones, although it impresses me how much people focus on the handles, since the blades in the various ranges are all the same.
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Old 06-16-2019, 11:23 PM   #33 (permalink)
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yeah the best knives are ones that will rust pretty quick, which nearly no one has. Nearly everything is crap anymore, unless you make it yourself.
Very interesting observation young grasshopper...
I was hanging around the Tokyo fish market several years ago. Noticed many knife vendors selling knifes with a little rust on the blade. Kicking myself for not buying a few good knifes.
I have one knife (unknown organ) that sharpens like a fucking raped ape. All my other knifes are sent out for sharpening as needed.
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German knives are largely Garbage these days.

Shun and the Japanese production knives generally use what is effectively 440c, while it gets sharp edge holding is ok.... Keep that baby honed.

But support your local knife makers. Order something custom.
I used employer provided expensive German knives when I worked in a restaurant years ago. They were nice, but I wouldn’t pay for them... I didn’t see the justification for the $$$

Never used Japanese knives so I won’t comment

Years ago my wife got me a basic utility knife while at the county fair. It was from The Rada cutlery company. I have since added a few more to my collection, mainly smaller paring knives. They are American made, inexpensive, durable as hell, and can be honed to “shaving sharp” easily

I warn people who reach for my utility knife... so far two people have failed to heed my warnings. It’s a good thing I have first aid skills too
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Ah; Ok.

IIRC; their revenue is mostly the sales from their the own sellers!

A major legal scam!


Appears to be a variation of Amway.
Correct. It's like Amway, but with sharp stuff. Yes, they're always guaranteed a sell if they're acquiring a seller.
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German knives are largely Garbage these days.

...and the Japanese production knives generally use what is effectively 440c, while it gets sharp edge holding is ok.... Keep that baby honed...
440C and 440XH tend to be brittle except after doing a draw cycle, 440a is the stuff that gets used for most commercially fabbed stuff because its cheaper and easier to work. The hassle is that it only yield a 58 rC max (440c is 62 rC max) hence the need to hone. What's more 440c and XH will corrode/rust so its real obvious what the blades made of...difference in iron and carbon contents twixt the grades of 440 series steels that changes the rC between grades.

Other variations on the themes are the precip hardening forms 17-7 or 13-8 to name a couple off the cuff. Same hassle as with 440a i.e. low rC upside is that they don't corrode.

Used to design/make dental blades and periodontal instruments for a living before retiring. Corrosion resistance during autoclaving/sterilization was/is an issue.
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440C and 440XH tend to be brittle except after doing a draw cycle, 440a is the stuff that gets used for most commercially fabbed stuff because its cheaper and easier to work. The hassle is that it only yield a 58 rC max (440c is 62 rC max) hence the need to hone. What's more 440c and XH will corrode/rust so its real obvious what the blades made of...difference in iron and carbon contents twixt the grades of 440 series steels that changes the rC between grades.

Other variations on the themes are the precip hardening forms 17-7 or 13-8 to name a couple off the cuff. Same hassle as with 440a i.e. low rC upside is that they don't corrode.

Used to design/make dental blades and periodontal instruments for a living before retiring. Corrosion resistance during autoclaving/sterilization was/is an issue.
I have a kitchen knife made out of 154CM. Its pretty bad ass but its usually stupid expensive to make for other people so VERY rarely does anyone order a Stainless kitchen knife for me. that and they are a bitch to sharpen but they hold an edge for ever.
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I got a couple knives made with CPM S35VN, made in Wyoming. But haven't had them long enough to make any determination. Afraid they are getting trendy and the price is going up as well.
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yeah the best knives are ones that will rust pretty quick, which nearly no one has. Nearly everything is crap anymore, unless you make it yourself.
Well the really good stainless blade steals are crazy expensive.

1095 or 5160 are about $20-$30 for a 4 for stick of 1/4

CPm154 for a 1/4 by 1.5" by 36" is $235

REALLY good knife steel is expensive.
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Freakin' knife snobs!
This. I want to buy some good knives this year. Mine are all dull hand me downs.
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CutCo is a decent American made company. They are very proud of their stuff.

I think they own K-Bar and a few other brands that are common pocket knife types.

They are kinda local here and you can go tour their facility. They put signs up for college kids to earn $XX in door to door sales. I don't think its a pyramid scheme, its just kids selling for commission.
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I have a kitchen knife made out of 154CM. Its pretty bad ass but its usually stupid expensive to make for other people so VERY rarely does anyone order a Stainless kitchen knife for me. that and they are a bitch to sharpen but they hold an edge for ever.
154VN is Crucibles answer to Carpenters XHP.
Curious as to why that was selected given the application over several others with better performance $ or some other fab related issue?

https://knifeinformer.com/discoverin...t-knife-steel/
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This. I want to buy some good knives this year. Mine are all dull hand me downs.
Learn how to sharpen properly...save a few $ in the process.
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This. I want to buy some good knives this year. Mine are all dull hand me downs.

High carbon steel knife and one of these, boom done.





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Vector Marketing...

https://dockets.justia.com/docket/ca...v05198/208948/

Just to give an idea of how they operate the MLM pyramid scheme. If you will go steal money from your family we'll share a little bit with you.

Food for thought: the sharpest knife isn't always best, resistance allows you to feel the different textures and densities and sometimes that's important to cutting something well. Like fish. You don't want a really sharp knife for removing bones from most meats, especially fish or chicken. You'll just cut right through the bones.
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I don't think its a pyramid scheme, its just kids selling for commission.
Lol.

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Learn how to sharpen properly...save a few $ in the process.
I need to learn. I hit it with the steel and it didn't do shit.

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I need to learn. I hit it with the steel and it didn't do shit.



Do I just get a knife sharpener on Amazon?
Just like triangulation it's all about angles...mostly acute; Then theres diamonds and strops. Ask Socoj2 or any other knife maker here on PBB

Alternatively uTube can help.
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Steels don't do shit for sharpening, some are at least okay, if not good, for honing the edge.

I have a WorkSharp miniature belt sharpener, easy to use, even can sharpen vegetable peelers, and will put a good edge on a knife. I apologized to a buddy of mine who was helping out prior to a backyard bash last summer that I needed to touch up the edge. He looked up from the cutting board and said "you think these are DULL?"
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