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Old 06-25-2019, 01:23 PM   #176 (permalink)
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So @DT75FLH ,

What is your plan to prevent this from happening again? (serious question, not busting balls)
Hit it faster next time and clear the jump PussY
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Kind of off-topic, but as somebody who used to camp for a week at a time out of a TJ, what the hell are you towing that adds up to 2100 pounds? That seems crazy excessive. I get the rooftop tent if your wife is coming but what the hell else are you bringing?
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No, but I admit when camping with my ex-wife I tended to bring more creature comfortís. Not 2100 pounds worth but still.
Going to the backcountry:
My HMMWV trailer is 1,400lbs empty.

The 8ft pop-up slide-in truck camper is 900lbs empty/dry.

4 20L Scepter fuel can

6 20L Scepter water cans

A shit-ton of offroad/getting unstuck/pulling/etc, etc gear.

A shit-ton of Top Ramen and teriyaki beef jerky.
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my brothers building a camping oriented m100 thing. Mostly for family boy scout camping.
two golf cart batteries,inverter,solar panel (for a cpap machine)
propane for cooking pus the stove and shit.
cast iron
tools
water
tent


all the shit.
We expect it to weigh about 1800 ready to go.

it will probably be heavier.
so I don't see 2100 as being overweight for what it is.
Sound cool.


Why golf cart batteries instead of a vehicle deep-cycle?
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June 18, 2019 NHTSA ID NUMBER: 11220901
Components: SUSPENSION, UNKNOWN OR OTHER

NHTSA ID Number: 11220901

Incident Date May 4, 2019

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Vehicle Identification Number 1GCPTEE17J1****

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Deaths0

THE TRUCK IS THE ZR2 MODEL, CREW CAB SHORT BED. I WAS TOWING A 2100LB TRAILER WITH 347# OF TONGUE WEIGHT AT 25MPH, UPHILL, ON A DIRT ROAD. HIT A DIP IN THE ROAD AT 25 MPH AND IT BENT THE FRAME AT THE CAB/PICK UP BOX AREA. THE FRAME NECKS DOWN TO 3 1/2 INCHES THERE WITH 2 FACTORY LARGE OVAL HOLES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FRAME. I HAVE FOUND ANOTHER PIC OF A ZR2 TOWING A TRAILER, AND IT BENT AT THE EXACT SAME PLACE.
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Why golf cart batteries instead of a vehicle deep-cycle?
Most golf cart batteries have a crapload more capacity than vehicle deep-cycle. Lots of RV people who like to boondock with solar instead of a generator will run two 6v golf cart batteries in series and get more storage than running two 12v deep cycle in parallel.

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Most golf cart batteries have a crapload more capacity than vehicle deep-cycle. Lots of RV people who like to boondock with solar instead of a generator will run two 6v golf cart batteries in series and get more storage than running two 12v deep cycle in parallel.
this.

they have physically larger cells given their size and only being 6v.
better brawndo to plate ratio.
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Most golf cart batteries have a crapload more capacity than vehicle deep-cycle. Lots of RV people who like to boondock with solar instead of a generator will run two 6v golf cart batteries in series and get more storage than running two 12v deep cycle in parallel.


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this.

they have physically larger cells given their size and only being 6v.
better brawndo to plate ratio.
Awesome; for future reference.
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So @DT75FLH ,

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He'll call you and gain authorization to have Danny weld it for him.
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Trailer is 900lbs empty, so it's only 1200lbs. Camp stove, camp cookwear, bedding, sand ladders, tools, fire wood, water, fuel, propane, ice chest, etc., it adds up.
pretty much this

18 gal of water inside is 150lbs by itself...4 more gal in the road shower adds up

full size 35in tire and rim on the back of the trailer.

beer. etc, lawn chair..and 3 bundles of firewood inside
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https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2018/C...U%25252FEC/4WD

June 18, 2019 NHTSA ID NUMBER: 11220901
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THE TRUCK IS THE ZR2 MODEL, CREW CAB SHORT BED. I WAS TOWING A 2100LB TRAILER WITH 347# OF TONGUE WEIGHT AT 25MPH, UPHILL, ON A DIRT ROAD. HIT A DIP IN THE ROAD AT 25 MPH AND IT BENT THE FRAME AT THE CAB/PICK UP BOX AREA. THE FRAME NECKS DOWN TO 3 1/2 INCHES THERE WITH 2 FACTORY LARGE OVAL HOLES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FRAME. I HAVE FOUND ANOTHER PIC OF A ZR2 TOWING A TRAILER, AND IT BENT AT THE EXACT SAME PLACE.
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So @DT75FLH ,

What is your plan to prevent this from happening again? (serious question, not busting balls)
ive replaced it with a full size again....not my first choice... but nothing else in the mid size range appealed to me.

i like the new jeeps, and if they would have actually came out with the diesel in the rubicon i would have bought that instead of the colorado


The truck's probably going to be regulated to Streets from now on and be the wife's daily driver for a while
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Then the keg of beer is obviously out, so I'm not sure why you would even want to go.
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Hmm. Iíll have to look into that. I use my PW regularly to haul stuff. Just yesterday I used both lockers, sway bar disco and winch. Iím fairly easy on my stuff though.

Where did you hear about the PW issues?
I think the one at PW in Moab was a Diesel truck. I hear that it is a plug weld issue on the front axle...and they bend. mine isn't trussed but it should solve both issues if it was.
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bullshit.

friend was a service manager during that fiasco.
people with 2 year old trucks got new frames because the rust was already so bad. They were swapping lease vehicles for new ones because toyota didn't have enough parts.
Toyota didn't build the frames, Dana did, and Dana ended up paying Toyota $25 million for the 1st gen Taco's frame rust issue.
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The folks designing / specifyining / testing these vehicles have a set of standards that the vehicle is built to. The unfortunate reality is that the way we use these vehicles is on the edge of their design envelope, at best.

I'm glad the insurance company is paying up to fix it, too bad the manufacturer isn't - they certainly create an image of robustness in their marketing.
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Frame was 3500 list and 36 hours labor.
nobody pays list price ever
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The insurance company does.
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The insurance company does.
ugh why am I forced to pay those shitstains

just about every time there's heavy rain here we get three or more hydrolocked cars in the street out front
every one of them that ends up getting fixed here somehow is covered by insurance when it is clearly the driver being a retard

modern society... play stupid games, avoid stupid prizes
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ugh why am I forced to pay those shitstains

just about every time there's heavy rain here we get three or more hydrolocked cars in the street out front
every one of them that ends up getting fixed here somehow is covered by insurance when it is clearly the driver being a retard

modern society... play stupid games, avoid stupid prizes
It's the American way.

A quick Google search using my VIN showed that I can get a frame for 2300 gmpartsdirect direct... I don't know what shipping is on that...prob 400 or so since that is what my lift cost to be delivered...
And my quick math for State Farm.... I've paid them over 60,000 in the last 20 years of being insured through them..been with them for 32 years now...

ive had 2 5k claims and now this for 13k...state farm is still way ahead...
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My Tacoma has my 57000 miles and they don't use salt here either.


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Are you sure, a google search returns articles that state you use both sodium and magnesium chloride mixed into the sand for ice control, and magnesium chloride is apparently more corrosive than sodium.
That is way out of norm even for a Tacoma. They're not that bad all box-frame Toyotas act the same here. Seems like that truck has way more miles or that magnesium is terrible.

Tacomas are still simple and still the same since '95. You can prevent that or fix it, it's not that bad for pbb level fixing.
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