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Old 07-11-2019, 02:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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because fuck europeans and their tolerance

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/op...082226234.html

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To be tolerant today means we are convinced by the superiority of our own beliefs but out of the generosity of our spirit and goodness of our heart and the superiority of our civilisation we put up with you, for we have no choice. Both the superiority of belief and the virtue of tolerance are thus attributed to the tolerant culture rather than denied to the barbarity thus tolerated
interesting article written by an Iranian.
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"British women can't cook"

"Everybody was saying we must have more leisure. Now they are complaining they are unemployed" (during the 1981 recession).

"You are a woman, aren't you?" (in Kenya after accepting a small gift from a local woman).

"If you stay here much longer you'll all be slitty-eyed" (to a group of British students during a royal visit to China).

"You can't have been here that long, you haven't got pot belly" (to a Briton he met in Hungary).

"Aren't most of you descended from pirates?" (to a wealthy islander in the Cayman Islands).

"How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to pass the test" (to a Scottish driving instructor).

"It looks as if it was put in by an Indian" (referring to an old-fashioned fuse box in a factory near Edinburgh).

"Still throwing spears?" (question put to an Aboriginal Australian during a visit).

"There's a lot of your family in tonight" (after looking at the name badge of businessman Atul Patel at a Palace reception for British Indians).

"The Philippines must be half-empty as you're all here running the NHS" (on meeting a Filipino nurse at Luton and Dunstable Hospital).

All seems fairly factual.
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i'm going to try to find a longer list when I have more time.

they are funny, and they are racist, and it is an excellent highlight on the hypocrisy of liberal/western tolerance.
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The thing about this article is it makes some assumptions that it doesn't back up.

It assumes without providing proof British are now practising "tolerance", defined by the article as
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liberal "tolerance" amounts to a fanatical conviction about one's own beliefs thinly disguised under the veneer of "tolerating", meaning putting up with, other people's misguided beliefs and practices.
It then makes the leap that since the British are doing this, then by extension, Europeans are doing it as well.. despite the fact that the UK and Europe seem to be having a bit of a difference of opinion lately. It then makes the jump to all of western civilization.

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The thing about this article is it makes some assumptions that it doesn't back up.

It assumes without providing proof British are now practising "tolerance", defined by the article as

It then makes the leap that since the British are doing this, then by extension, Europeans are doing it as well.. despite the fact that the UK and Europe seem to be having a bit of a difference of opinion lately. It then makes the jump to all of western civilization.
just can't help showing just how fucking stupid you are
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just can't help showing just how fucking stupid you are
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dude was 96 fucking years old.

newsflash, old people are fucking racist.
eventually they'll die and the problem just goes away.
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dude was 96 fucking years old.

newsflash, old people are fucking racist.
eventually they'll die and the problem just goes away.
Overwhelming majority of credible studies indicate close association with different cultures tends to increase tension between those cultures. It's a Sociology 101 truism.

You can now carry on about the morality of it etc. It's simply an observation that renders your point null.
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I read the article up to the point where the author quoted the prince's supposedly "racist" comments. I did not see anything racist about any of them. Next topic.
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I was at an adult birthday party 3 weeks ago. One of the birthday girls is 'persian' (which what iranians call themselves so as not to piss people off) born here but her parents are from iran (split when the shah got booted by the extremists because corruption and evil shit only to be replaced by more corruption and even more evil shit.)

Anyway, I ended up building a fire in their backyard fire pit (persian men apparently need a fire or whatever at social gatherings) and sitting with birthday girl's dad and two of his buddies. At first, they were very guarded... but, eventually, they started asking questions and sharing.

They were THRILLED when I said I thought Trump would be re elected.
They SWORE they are zoroastrian and not muslim
They are hard core conservatives
They are scared to death when people find out they are iranian.
They wish that the US would dominate Iran like it did before the Ayatollah

To me tolerance isn't acceptance. I can tolerate most things that I cannot accept. I think people confuse respect and accept and tolerate.

I can pretty much tolerate all the gender nonsense, and maybe I can accept it, but I don't know that I respect it. But the way these folks talk, not respecting it means I don't tolerate it either....

So, I dunno, lets have a beer.
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Overwhelming majority of credible studies indicate close association with different cultures tends to increase tension between those cultures. It's a Sociology 101 truism.

You can now carry on about the morality of it etc. It's simply an observation that renders your point null.
I remember reading something about that. Specifically, if one culture is encroaching on the other, there will be hostility as those people whose culture is slowly getting overtaken feel that their way of life is being threatened.
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dude was 96 fucking years old.

newsflash, old people are fucking racist.
eventually they'll die and the problem just goes away.
who the fuck are you kidding? Racism will be around as long as the human race exists on this or any other planet.
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I'm simply going to point out the difference between Empirical and Systemic.

Empirical is like the Torque ---> Horsepower formula. It does not describe how torque relates to horsepower, it simply provides a (sometimes) accurate calculation of HP from the number TQ and 5252.

Systemic is the mathematical process of adding in the Time factor, which Torque lacks as a simple force. Force --> Power --> Energy, like the progression of exponents in Integration. And in fact Time is exponential T^0 --> T^1 --> T^2. That is Systemic.

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who the fuck are you kidding? Racism will be around as long as the human race exists on this or any other planet.
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Overwhelming majority of credible studies indicate close association with different cultures tends to increase tension between those cultures. It's a Sociology 101 truism.

You can now carry on about the morality of it etc. It's simply an observation that renders your point null.
Generally those who rely on Empirical Evidence have less toolage at their disposal than those who rely on Systemic Evidence. Oftimes the Systemic requires foreknowledge of the Empirical, other times, as in the case of the Horsepower Formula, it's simply observable as a down-stream.

If you rely on Empirical, however accurate, you simply won't understand anything outside of the Empirical formula or observation. Hence, it is necessarily the weaker model to describe phenomenon, natural or man-made.
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The thing about this article is it makes some assumptions that it doesn't back up.

It assumes without providing proof British are now practising "tolerance", defined by the article as

It then makes the leap that since the British are doing this, then by extension, Europeans are doing it as well.. despite the fact that the UK and Europe seem to be having a bit of a difference of opinion lately. It then makes the jump to all of western civilization.
They are stereotyping

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So, I dunno, lets have a beer.
The more people from other countries that I talk to, the more I realize how completely misguided my assumptions are. So many people from other countries who wind up here are just as you described these Iranians.
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dude was 96 fucking years old.

newsflash, old people are fucking racist.
eventually they'll die and the problem just goes away.

So not giving enough of a shit to have a filter for everything is racist? I've always thought that having a Monarchy is stupid and I would tell Prince Phillip that and he could laugh but he had to do all the dumb shit his family traditions proscribe or not get to be a monarch and I don't have to attend a bunch of stupid ceremonies and pretend shit as much as he did so it's a big wash to me.
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the problem just goes away.
For sure. Right about the time we cross into your utopia over a rainbow...galloping on our unicorn...with our little leprechaun throwing all his gold coins at all the beautiful women at our sides.



If you think every human being on the planet will eventually sing kumbaya together when “racism” dies off, then you must be smoking some really good shit that Screwy would be proud of.



Unless that’s sarcasm...then proceed.
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Bigotry will never go away therefore racism will always be here. Why limit your bigotry to race. There are so many different things in the world to hate on, like eviltwat and everboob , and Ridglines. Lets not forget about the bastard Honda.


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The more people from other countries that I talk to, the more I realize how completely misguided my assumptions are. So many people from other countries who wind up here are just as you described these Iranians.
The ones who remain in their countries are more misguided than one would assume. I can't tell you how many times I've been in pubs and cafes around Europe/UK and had to bite my tongue while listening to people trash capitalism, USA, Trump, our way of life, everything. They are more socialist than anyone over here.
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The more people from other countries that I talk to, the more I realize how completely misguided my assumptions are. So many people from other countries who wind up here are just as you described these Iranians.
I heard someone make an interesting point a while back - One hundred years ago, if you lived in Hungary and sold everything you had to get on a one month boat ride to America, you knew you were never returning and your commitment to your new home country was absolute - As it was with most immigrants back then.

If you live just across the American border and can cross back everytime you want, what's the incentive to become an American?
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The ones who remain in their countries are more misguided than one would assume. I can't tell you how many times I've been in pubs and cafes around Europe/UK and had to bite my tongue while listening to people trash capitalism, USA, Trump, our way of life, everything. They are more socialist than anyone over here.
Bashing America is the national sport in most of Europe (this excludes Eastern Europe, where every house seems to have a shrine dedicated to Reagan - I guess experimenting real socialism will do that to you).

I was having a discussion with some European friends about the Chinese role in 5G and I told them I thought was incredibly reckless to have a Stalinist nation control the world's communications. They said "being spied by China or the Americans... What's the difference?"
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Bashing America is the national sport in most of Europe...
I've been to Europe once, to Bulgaria. From what I saw hanging out with my friends there, their bar/drinking past time is to make fun of any culture and any country. I loved it! I felt at home, haha! Nobody was ever offended, and the retorts just kept coming.

I wish folks over here could take a joke better and just relax. We (as a whole) are way way to sensitive over the littlest things. I'm guessing some of that comes from the fact that our country is so large, and isolated from most other countries. Over there, the countries are much smaller and closer together, almost like our states. Kind of how much we joke about and make fun of other states over here, that's how it was over there, but for countries.
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I remember reading something about that. Specifically, if one culture is encroaching on the other, there will be hostility as those people whose culture is slowly getting overtaken feel that their way of life is being threatened.
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I was at an adult birthday party 3 weeks ago. One of the birthday girls is 'persian' (which what iranians call themselves so as not to piss people off) born here but her parents are from iran (split when the shah got booted by the extremists because corruption and evil shit only to be replaced by more corruption and even more evil shit.)

Anyway, I ended up building a fire in their backyard fire pit (persian men apparently need a fire or whatever at social gatherings) and sitting with birthday girl's dad and two of his buddies. At first, they were very guarded... but, eventually, they started asking questions and sharing.

They were THRILLED when I said I thought Trump would be re elected.
They SWORE they are zoroastrian and not muslim
They are hard core conservatives
They are scared to death when people find out they are iranian.
They wish that the US would dominate Iran like it did before the Ayatollah

To me tolerance isn't acceptance. I can tolerate most things that I cannot accept. I think people confuse respect and accept and tolerate.

I can pretty much tolerate all the gender nonsense, and maybe I can accept it, but I don't know that I respect it. But the way these folks talk, not respecting it means I don't tolerate it either....

So, I dunno, lets have a beer.
I had a buddy growing up that was Persian. I think the difference between Persian and Iranian is like anywhere, he (and his family) didn't associate himself with modern Iran, wasn't a muslim, and was generally perturbed with the current situation.

it isn't all Iranians who consider themselves Persian, more to do with the 'fuck iran' folks consider themselves Persians.

kind of like how I clarify that i'm from Northern California whenever meeting new folks
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I had a buddy growing up that was Persian. I think the difference between Persian and Iranian is like anywhere, he (and his family) didn't associate himself with modern Iran, wasn't a muslim, and was generally perturbed with the current situation.



it isn't all Iranians who consider themselves Persian, more to do with the 'fuck iran' folks consider themselves Persians.



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