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Old 07-13-2019, 08:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Vintage Air unreasonable or me?

I guess I'm signing up for some flaming here, but I would like an unbiased opinion. Probably a long read.

I want AC on my build. Since it's completely custom, I figured it would be a learning curve. Fortunately, I have some hvac experince. There's a fairly well known AC company called Vintage Air. They make bolt-in kits for lots of hot rods and old cars. They also make "universal" kits for cars and trucks that they don't have a kit for. From everything I've heard they are a stand up company.

I called and talked to the tech. I got their biggest condenser and mounted it in my project. Since my build is a forward cab design, I ordered the "long hose" kit and a bunch of fittings. I finally got to the point of needing a evaporator. This is where it gets interesting.

I want good AC and I wanted their most powerful system. But even though my project has a fairly big cab, the space behind the dash is tight. I checked the dimentions of the two largest (behind dash) systems they make, it doesn't appear they will fit.

Looking in their catalogue and on the web site, I noted they make some systems that go under the dash and even some that go in the rear of the cab. Their site (or catalog) doesn't say how their differnt systems compare for power. So I sent them an e-mail asking for a list of all their evaporators by size.

They replied they recommended one of the two behind the dash systems. I replied "I don't think it will fit" and besides, that's not the question I asked. They replied "If I don't use one of them, they can't guarantee it will cool". I found this funny because how could they ever garentee any custom installation would work. I never ask for any garentee and I wouldn't expect one.

I sent them another e-mail telling them this and asked why they are dodging my question. Just give me a list, biggest to smallest. They replied "I'm sorry you think we're dodging your question, but still did answer it".

Now I'm getting pissed. Like what's the secret? I'm not asking for trade information, I just want info to make an informed decision. Why wouldn't they have this info right on their website. I've spent $400 with them and now they won't even answer my e-mails.

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You have an unusual application, and are unhappy they are not doing you engineering for you. Sounds like you are the problem.
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You have an unusual application, and are unhappy they are not doing you engineering for you. Sounds like you are the problem.
I didn't ask them to engineer anything. I told them I'm exploring my options. (Like installing a small front system and a large rear system.)

I'm thinking their "monster out back" system should cool the whole truck, but I want some kind of vents up front for when I first get in a hot vehical.
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wow, i was thinking i was teh only one that asks specific questions to VA and got the best not useful answer. I have been face to face at shows with them asking specific questions and at sema and still walked away confused or at best knowing its a shot in the dark. I like the kits they sell and have used them a few times but have had more than 3x need for specific info and gotten a whole bunch of smoke. sure they are good at taking care of a tech call when you need to address a fitting leak issue or swapping a part for another but when planning out and asking for help on what to buy.... good luck.
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I had good service from Old Air Products in Fort Worth TX when I built the AC system for my Scout. Their tech guy answered all the questions I had and helped me get everything I needed.

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I guess I'm signing up for some flaming here, but I would like an unbiased opinion. Probably a long read.

I want AC on my build. Since it's completely custom, I figured it would be a learning curve. Fortunately, I have some hvac experince. There's a fairly well known AC company called Vintage Air. They make bolt-in kits for lots of hot rods and old cars. They also make "universal" kits for cars and trucks that they don't have a kit for. From everything I've heard they are a stand up company.

I called and talked to the tech. I got their biggest condenser and mounted it in my project. Since my build is a forward cab design, I ordered the "long hose" kit and a bunch of fittings. I finally got to the point of needing a evaporator. This is where it gets interesting.

I want good AC and I wanted their most powerful system. But even though my project has a fairly big cab, the space behind the dash is tight. I checked the dimentions of the two largest (behind dash) systems they make, it doesn't appear they will fit.

Looking in their catalogue and on the web site, I noted they make some systems that go under the dash and even some that go in the rear of the cab. Their site (or catalog) doesn't say how their differnt systems compare for power. So I sent them an e-mail asking for a list of all their evaporators by size.

They replied they recommended one of the two behind the dash systems. I replied "I don't think it will fit" and besides, that's not the question I asked. They replied "If I don't use one of them, they can't guarantee it will cool". I found this funny because how could they ever garentee any custom installation would work. I never ask for any garentee and I wouldn't expect one.

I sent them another e-mail telling them this and asked why they are dodging my question. Just give me a list, biggest to smallest. They replied "I'm sorry you think we're dodging your question, but still did answer it".

Now I'm getting pissed. Like what's the secret? I'm not asking for trade information, I just want info to make an informed decision. Why wouldn't they have this info right on their website. I've spent $400 with them and now they won't even answer my e-mails.

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I had good service from Old Air Products in Fort Worth TX when I built the AC system for my Scout. Their tech guy answered all the questions I had and helped me get everything I needed.

https://www.oldairproducts.com/
thanks for the alternative company...... now do me a favor and go down the road and get one of them whataburgers!

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Waterhorse you have been following a build with answers to your questions
Aeroquip makes great teflon steel braided hoses you can make your own lines and has lots of fittings. Probably to late for that since you went with the VA. Personally the airplane vents are the best bang for the buck and can be sourced at aircraft spruce.

Otherwise this is another option used in the agricultural markets so I assume they are legit. https://www.reddotcorp.com

https://m.aircraftspruce.com/categor...s_eyeball.html

Couple write ups on peoples dealings with VA vs.
https://www.digitalcorvettes.com/for.../topics/272233

Another fellow from another forum mentioned Classic Air and is geared to factory-ish vintage replacements his preference which is the same parent company of RestoMod air which I went with.

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My experience with every vendor/manufacturer ever. It's getting worse as I get older and the world gets dumber.
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I contacted a truck upfitter almost a month ago to see about having them setup a truck I have with a dump body I have. Dump body is on it's own frame and has the cylinder and all that. Came off another truck. Just need to attach it to the new truck frame and install electric/hydraulic pump.

I clearly explained what I was looking to do, and even emailed the guy a bunch of photos.

Thought we were on the same page until I get a quote for a brand new flatbed, new hoist, etc for the tune of almost $12k.
I never once talked about wanting a flatbed or anything like that

I called again, again explain what I want. He wants more photos, so I take a bunch and send them.
Call a week later, leave a message with the desk lady. Emailed him too. Nothing.

Call a week later "working on the quote"

I finally get the quote a few days ago... it's for a new hoist system which apparently is to go with my dump body to I guess made a double dump hoist setup?
Oh... and that hoist is 14-18 weeks out... so basically next year. I told him I needed the truck by the end of August... They've wasted a month already.

I'm half tempted to call him and ask if he's actually retarded or just acting like one so I go away!

I ended up calling another outfitter and they had a quote the next day for what I wanted, and for a price I expected to pay.

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Truth!

I contacted a truck upfitter almost a month ago ...

I ended up calling another outfitter and they had a quote the next day for what I wanted, and for a price I expected to pay.
Who was it? I've gotta avoid that kind of nonsense.

And WH, another vote for they're idiots.
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Southern Air is what i put in my 66 chevelle years ago. Worked. There’s many other places out there other than vintage air now days.
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my problem is they tell you the 134 charge is 1.8lbs, regardless of how long your hoses are, or what size components you use. then the thing freezes up, and you have to adjust the slide in the dash til it don't freeze up. freakin ridiculous way to make ac work. I charged it by pressures this summer and its working much better, and actually cools good now. it was barely better than the windows open last summer with their settings.
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I didn’t know this but saving it when I do ac on the hotrod
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Got tired of dealing with the crappy Chevy "pancake" compressor in my 92' Silverado.

Vintage air conversion brackets, Vintage Air new compressor, Hoses built by Randy at Air Components in Mesa (awesome small shop imo). New Dryer Rock Auto, new condenser with new orifice tube Rock Auto, flushed and serviced to 48*.
I will be shopping a system for my distant 69' Nova build, prolly start at Vintage Air.
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Old 07-14-2019, 09:12 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Your requests sound reasonable, but maybe you came off as a dick
I was thinking this. When I read the e-mails, I think I sounded OK, at least till I asked why they are dodging the question.

As far as talking to someone else, do you mean at VA? I was wondering if the owner knew what was going on. It would be nice to send the whole e-mail chain to the owner and let him judge if I was being treated right. The guy answering me doesn't leave a name.

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Go find a late 90s or newer suburban and take the rear ac out of it. Should work fine.
I guess I need to check this out. Are you guys suggesting a small front unit and the rear AC? Or just the rear AC?

I kind of want something up front. When you jump in to a truck that's been sitting in the sun, no AC is going to cool it immediately, but it's nice to have some cool air blowing on your face while you wait for the rest to cool down.

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Waterhorse you have been following a build with answers to your questions .
I was thinking of you all along. It seemed like VA had more choices and a good rep. I'm going to have another look at the other companies.

I have an AC evaporator from a parts Bronco that doesn't fit. I might just modify it. It just seems like I have to make every f-ing thing.
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Otherwise this is another option used in the agricultural markets so I assume they are legit. https://www.reddotcorp.com

Another fellow from another forum mentioned Classic Air and is geared to factory-ish vintage replacements his preference which is the same parent company of RestoMod air which I went with.
Vintage air is very expensive. For people that build big money hot rods and don’t know how to build an ac system.

Slap a red dot 2300 in it and roll. They’re about $400 and cool uninsulated tractor cabs that are mostly glass pretty well.
I used to be a red dot dealer and used as much common tractor and semi truck parts as I could so the customer could find these parts at any NAPA or truck parts house in the future.
Fir example, John Deere or Ford expansion valves, freighliner driers, etc.

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my problem is they tell you the 134 charge is 1.8lbs, regardless of how long your hoses are, or what size components you use. then the thing freezes up, and you have to adjust the slide in the dash til it don't freeze up. freakin ridiculous way to make ac work. I charged it by pressures this summer and its working much better, and actually cools good now. it was barely better than the windows open last summer with their settings.
Anyone that has a charge wieght for a custom system is wrong unless they know every dimension of the system.
However when building a system, getting the charge wieght and recording it, after you find what works makes servicing it way easier in the future.
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I think they pretty strongly gave you the move on signal. Why? Knucklehead employees. Their loss now and in the future now that you've shared your experience.

I learned a while ago that vendors and service providers need to be cut loose as soon as they start giving you attitude and they don't correct it when you bring it to their attention. Apperntly some think they are your only choice. Almost never the case. Your money is plenty good elsewhere. Works for salespeople through doctors and in between.
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I was totally expecting the thread to be how he'd installed the pump in the wrong rotation direction, used teflon tape on the fittings, and serviced the system with discarded halon and gear oil and was wondering why Vintage Air wouldn't give him warranty.
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Truth!

I contacted a truck upfitter almost a month ago to see about having them setup a truck I have with a dump body I have. Dump body is on it's own frame and has the cylinder and all that. Came off another truck. Just need to attach it to the new truck frame and install electric/hydraulic pump.

I clearly explained what I was looking to do, and even emailed the guy a bunch of photos.

Thought we were on the same page until I get a quote for a brand new flatbed, new hoist, etc for the tune of almost $12k.
I never once talked about wanting a flatbed or anything like that

I called again, again explain what I want. He wants more photos, so I take a bunch and send them.
Call a week later, leave a message with the desk lady. Emailed him too. Nothing.

Call a week later "working on the quote"

I finally get the quote a few days ago... it's for a new hoist system which apparently is to go with my dump body to I guess made a double dump hoist setup?
Oh... and that hoist is 14-18 weeks out... so basically next year. I told him I needed the truck by the end of August... They've wasted a month already.

I'm half tempted to call him and ask if he's actually retarded or just acting like one so I go away!
You should go back into his house with your dump truck.
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Couple write ups on peoples dealings with VA vs.
https://www.digitalcorvettes.com/for.../topics/272233
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I didn't go to this link till just now. Wow, I wish I had seen this before. I use to own a C3 Vette and the AC sucked.

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I was totally expecting the thread to be how he'd installed the pump in the wrong rotation direction, used teflon tape on the fittings, and serviced the system with discarded halon and gear oil and was wondering why Vintage Air wouldn't give him warranty.
Hmmmm, I did modify a fitting block on the compressor. I moved these tubes and fittings from the other side. I plugged the old holes with some AL pipe plugs and Teflon tape. Is that going to cause trouble?

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