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Old 07-19-2019, 08:59 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I am/was planning on buying a 10 year old super car in the next 2ish years..... price wise it will be hard not to take a look at these and I am not a chevy fan at all.
I have to imagine maintenance on a 10 year old super car would probably be crippling as well. Those things weren't really meant to be driven. The nice thing about a Corvette is that it was designed to be a driver.
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I'll take a DCT over a manual any day. New Mustang GT500 is DCT only as well.
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Performance-wise, the newer automatics are quote simply better. Driving enjoyment wise, I'll never enjoy driving an auto as much as a manual. I just won't. There's a connection to the vehicle with a manual that just isn't there with an auto, even with the paddle shifters.
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Performance-wise, the newer automatics are quote simply better. Driving enjoyment wise, I'll never enjoy driving an auto as much as a manual. I just won't. There's a connection to the vehicle with a manual that just isn't there with an auto, even with the paddle shifters.
I struggled with this until I drove a true dual clutch hard on track. A true DTC feels very different than an auto. I became a convert. Autos are still autos, but dual clutch boxes are a different animal.
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I like it. I wonder if this is the point where corvette goes from middle-age midlife car to cool the way gm changed Cadillac from old person car to cool in the early 2000’s. The c6 and c7 zo6 and zr1 were radically impressive cars but they still kind of beared the burden of existing only because the base levels were so popular with the stereotypical corvette crowd. Maybe the new one is radical enough to change that. As many dumb moves as GM makes (new Blazer), maybe this is going to be a good one.
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I like it. I wonder if this is the point where corvette goes from middle-age midlife car to cool the way gm changed Cadillac from old person car to cool in the early 2000ís. The c6 and c7 zo6 and zr1 were radically impressive cars but they still kind of beared the burden of existing only because the base levels were so popular with the stereotypical corvette crowd. Maybe the new one is radical enough to change that. As many dumb moves as GM makes (new Blazer), maybe this is going to be a good one.

Some of that is price tag. Same with new Harleys (at a different scale)

Not every "cool" person has $60K to plunk on a fun but wholly impractical car.
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I like the car. It's just the base model so the Z06 and ZR1 will be even more crazy. I'm super excited to see what this does to the corvette racing team's ability to put the Ford GT back in the trailer. And those damn 911 Porsche guys.
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Performance-wise, the newer automatics are quote simply better. Driving enjoyment wise, I'll never enjoy driving an auto as much as a manual. I just won't. There's a connection to the vehicle with a manual that just isn't there with an auto, even with the paddle shifters.
I both agree and disagree. Have you ever driven a proper paddle shifted car? I find it annoying that most new cars come with paddles, for example my wifes Grand Cherokee has paddles for absolutely no reason. I was firmly in the same camp as you, until I drove a F430. The 430 had a single clutch "F1" transmission and while its different than shifting a manual, it is a huge leap from every day Autos that everyone is slapping paddles on. The dual clutches are even better. I guess my rambling is more along the lines of, be opened minded to a proper performance paddle shifted transmission if you have never driven one.
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What's the point of a Corvette in which a 70 yr old dude can't get roadhead from the 31 yr old single mom that he's supporting?
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I like it. I wonder if this is the point where corvette goes from middle-age midlife car to cool the way gm changed Cadillac from old person car to cool in the early 2000ís. The c6 and c7 zo6 and zr1 were radically impressive cars but they still kind of beared the burden of existing only because the base levels were so popular with the stereotypical corvette crowd. Maybe the new one is radical enough to change that. As many dumb moves as GM makes (new Blazer), maybe this is going to be a good one.
Rumor is the top level trim model will be in the 1000hp range so expect the C8 to get even more radical.
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Some of that is price tag. Same with new Harleys (at a different scale)

Not every "cool" person has $60K to plunk on a fun but wholly impractical car.
The base price actually surprised me.... I was expecting a whole lot more.

But then $60k these days seem average for a vehicle, when some fully loaded pick-up trucks cost way more. "Practicality" is a subjective and personal issue....

Personally, I like it. Would I buy one, probably not....but it wouldn't be out of reach.
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What's the point of a Corvette in which a 70 yr old dude can't get roadhead from the 31 yr old single mom that he's supporting?
The new larger central drivetrain hump will cause problems!
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I have to imagine maintenance on a 10 year old super car would probably be crippling as well. Those things weren't really meant to be driven. The nice thing about a Corvette is that it was designed to be a driver.
Supposedly the newer supercars are actually pretty decent when it comes to maintenance. Parts are still ridiculously expensive but it's not like you need a clutch every 5k. That's just what I've heard. I don't own one though.
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Not every "cool" person has $60K to plunk on a fun but wholly impractical car.
I think you're missing the purpose of niche vehicles. Just about everyone here probably has one of some sort and many have spent more on them than the price of a new base Corvette. I certainly have, remember this is a 4x4 site... As for 60Gs, go look at the price a new F150 Platinum. That's impractical for a damn 1/2 ton.
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I both agree and disagree. Have you ever driven a proper paddle shifted car? I find it annoying that most new cars come with paddles, for example my wifes Grand Cherokee has paddles for absolutely no reason. I was firmly in the same camp as you, until I drove a F430. The 430 had a single clutch "F1" transmission and while its different than shifting a manual, it is a huge leap from every day Autos that everyone is slapping paddles on. The dual clutches are even better. I guess my rambling is more along the lines of, be opened minded to a proper performance paddle shifted transmission if you have never driven one.
What you just said makes ZERO sense. An F430 has a manual. It's just not a gated manual with a clutch. It's operated by a complex system but is still a manual trans in parts. IE a clutch and not a converter. Even one of the newer 8 or 10 speed auto's is while better, still no dual clutch feeling.
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What's the point of a Corvette in which a 70 yr old dude can't get roadhead from the 31 yr old single mom that he's supporting?
The new and improved corvette whore will come standard with a dual clutch ratcheting neck
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I think they did a great job. It perfectly continues the heritage of the Vette in that owning one means you have absolutely no penis.
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I think you're missing the purpose of niche vehicles. Just about everyone here probably has one of some sort and many have spent more on them than the price of a new base Corvette. I certainly have, remember this is a 4x4 site... As for 60Gs, go look at the price a new F150 Platinum. That's impractical for a damn 1/2 ton.
No, I get it. Trucks start up there too! That is why I had to buy one that was 5 years old to afford it.

Just talking specifically about the attraction of Corvettes to the over 70's crowd. They are usually not buying it for performance use but to pull in those 30 year old single mothers referenced earlier.
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I both agree and disagree. Have you ever driven a proper paddle shifted car? I find it annoying that most new cars come with paddles, for example my wifes Grand Cherokee has paddles for absolutely no reason. I was firmly in the same camp as you, until I drove a F430. The 430 had a single clutch "F1" transmission and while its different than shifting a manual, it is a huge leap from every day Autos that everyone is slapping paddles on. The dual clutches are even better. I guess my rambling is more along the lines of, be opened minded to a proper performance paddle shifted transmission if you have never driven one.
One of my big issues with the paddle shifters is that I've never driven a car where they're actually conveniently located to use. They're actually pretty damn responsive in my Lexus IS350 F Sport which isn't a dual clutch and I'd probably actually use them a lot more often if they were more conveniently located. You either have to really reach with your hands at 10 and 2 or you have to drive at 9 and 3. Neither is comfortable for me.



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I have to imagine maintenance on a 10 year old super car would probably be crippling as well. Those things weren't really meant to be driven. The nice thing about a Corvette is that it was designed to be a driver.
That's a thing of the past. The days of pulling an engine to change the sparkplugs is long past. Most "super cars" are just as reliable as many other cars.
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One of my big issues with the paddle shifters is that I've never driven a car where they're actually conveniently located to use. They're actually pretty damn responsive in my Lexus IS350 F Sport which isn't a dual clutch and I'd probably actually use them a lot more often if they were more conveniently located. You either have to really reach with your hands at 10 and 2 or you have to drive at 9 and 3. Neither is comfortable for me.



May have to something to do with those tiny hands and stubby fingers...
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I struggled with this until I drove a true dual clutch hard on track. A true DTC feels very different than an auto. I became a convert. Autos are still autos, but dual clutch boxes are a different animal.
Absolutely. I daily drive my Golf R with one and the shifts are super fast and positive. It does have a "manual mode" where you can pick your gear and it works great on twisty mountain roads. I'm sold on them.
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Looks like this is another car I need to add to my buy in 20 years list.
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You either have to really reach with your hands at 10 and 2 or you have to drive at 9 and 3. Neither is comfortable for me.
The doll hands don't help!

Those of use that were taught how to drive before air bags are used to driving at 10&2 but you are supposed to have a lower hand position with air bags so you don't get beat to death by your own forearms in a collision.

The probably put the pedals there to force the lower hand position.
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