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Old 07-25-2019, 03:58 PM   #126 (permalink)
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. . . I . . . brought up about Christians versus Muslims killing their perceived enemies or nonbelievers or whatever you want to call their victims because I don't consider the ratios to be equal . . .
Ahh, gotcha. You were referring to the scale of dipshit religio-killer operations, not the virtue of them.

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It is pretty remarkable how much the Reps and Dems are spinning this. There are 3 very different versions of the Mueller Report, apparently.
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This. The people screaming about the D's lying and having no morals are conveniently ignoring the fact that the R's are just as bad. them all.
I couldn't agree more...I think as a general rule of thumb most, if not all, politicians fall prey to the corrupt system WE the people have allowed to flourish in this country.

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Okay, I'll try one more time. My point earlier was regarding people saying that this is all a waste of time and both parties involved are equally guilty. I don't see how the "Conservatives" are as equally guilty as the "liberals" of keeping this Mueller crap going. It is the "liberals" pushing all this. Maybe they are both full of shit but in this case it is far from equal.

And I pointlessly brought up about Christians versus Muslims killing their perceived enemies or nonbelievers or whatever you want to call their victims because I don't consider the ratios to be equal. maybe God does, I don't know. Remember this thread:https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/gene...ody-count.html

So whenever I see statements where I perceive the ratios of scale to be vastly disproportionate yet it seems someone else thinks they are equal I go right back to the bodycount thread. Religion themed killers are all fucked up evil pieces of shit but in my opinion the Muslim intolerant killers are the most evil by far . And the 2 major political parties have major issues, but the Democrats are the most fucked in my eyes right now.
Conservatives care about the outcome as much as liberals. Conservatives won't shut the fuck up about it just like liberals won't shut the fuck up about it. Maybe if Conservatives shut the fuck up about it and stopped giving it any attention it would die, but they're not willing to do that simply because they're focused on how many resources are being wasted on the whole thing.

Meanwhile...the majority of people who vote, or aren't paying attention, won't change their mind about how they vote based on the outcome. The whole report and hearing need to stop being discussed.
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This is a definite truth.

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/15/181837...m-barr-hearing

No denial of the facts, and the paper trail is endless.
Problem is, the monies being paid to Trump hotels, golf courses, etc., are being paid to the Trump corporation, a separate legal entity from POTUS Trump.

The House wont go down this road, as the Emoluments Clause applies to everyone in the federal government, not just the POTUS. If they were to succeed with it against Trump, then everyone of them who have any familial ties to any business that does any business at all with a foreign national or government is in violation, like Hillary and the Clinton Foundation while she was Sec, of State, Obama and Sanders or any other Congressmen that has wrote a book and any non citizen buys the book if they are paid royalties from sales, Biden with his son's business getting $1 billion from China, etc.

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This. The people screaming about the D's lying and having no morals are conveniently ignoring the fact that the R's are just as bad. them all.
Yes politicians lie, guess what, so do all living human beings, the difference here is, only the Dems(the we are aware of) used the LEA's of the federal government to spy on a campaign, then listen in to the transition team, and then try to use the fake and illegally obtained info to try to unseat a duly elected President.

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I still don't see how you can obstruct justice when there's no evidence of a crime being committed.

Every US citizen should enjoy the presumption of innocence until PROVEN guilty.
You can depending on what you do, i.e., charged with murder you didn't commit, but are afraid your drug dealing willl get discovered so you threaten a witness to your drug dealing.

The problem with the Mueller investigation is, is even if Trump was trying to obstruct the investigation because he was afraid of them uncovering an actual crime he had/was committing, the acts Trump was wanting to do or did, were all within his authority to do as POTUS.
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When questioned, Mueller stated Trump did not interfere in any way with the investigation. It had also been previously reported that Trump Instructed everyone in his admin. to cooperate with the investigation.
0 evidence of obstruction. Much evidence to the contrary. Everyone who now speaks of obstruction should immediately be told to shut up and shit down.
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Conservatives care about the outcome as much as liberals. Conservatives won't shut the fuck up about it just like liberals won't shut the fuck up about it. Maybe if Conservatives shut the fuck up about it and stopped giving it any attention it would die, but they're not willing to do that simply because they're focused on how many resources are being wasted on the whole thing.

Meanwhile...the majority of people who vote, or aren't paying attention, won't change their mind about how they vote based on the outcome. The whole report and hearing need to stop being discussed.
It's pretty obvious at this point that ignoring the Mueller investigation lapdogs does not work any better than taunting them.
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I think it's time for the Republicans to ignore all of it as much as possible. If they sit on a committee that has something to do with this whole shit show they should just sit there in silence, eat a sandwich, yield their time. When asked questions they should just say "that's not in my pervue". Or plead the 5th like that cunt Lois Lerner.
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It's pretty obvious at this point that ignoring the Mueller investigation lapdogs does not work any better than taunting them.
No but it’s a different conversation. Instead of arguing about him being right or wrong I’m saying if you ignore it it will go away like you say you want. Do you want it to continue? If so what for? If not why are you giving it attention?
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No but it’s a different conversation. Instead of arguing about him being right or wrong I’m saying if you ignore it it will go away like you say you want. Do you want it to continue? If so what for? If not why are you giving it attention?

The silence of the lambs don't work so good.
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The whole bumbling mess is just an attempt by the Dems to not loose face, and incite doubt, even when their is nothing to doubt. They don't want justice they want "justice" because its Trump and he's no longer a Dem.
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When asked questions they should just say "that's not in my pervue".
This is how I answered everybody that asked me a question at work today.

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How would you know? You haven’t tried.
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Au contraire Pierre!
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Stand up and call them out on their bullshit and lies for starters. If everyone wasn't tolerant then of their antics they would go into remission
I see you have a firm grasp on the rule of law there.
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I think it's time for the Republicans to ignore all of it as much as possible. If they sit on a committee that has something to do with this whole shit show they should just sit there in silence, eat a sandwich, yield their time. When asked questions they should just say "that's not in my pervue". Or plead the 5th like that cunt Lois Lerner.
Ignoring bad behavior has and never will accomplish the behavior you seek...

Look how well its done in other parts of society.
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No but it’s a different conversation. Instead of arguing about him being right or wrong I’m saying if you ignore it it will go away like you say you want. Do you want it to continue? If so what for? If not why are you giving it attention?
When the Dems took the house they promised to hold hearing after hearing and tie the Trump admin to the ground. They have failed but that was THEIR promise. The rest of us are just along for the ride.
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Ignoring bad behavior has and never will accomplish the behavior you seek...

Look how well its done in other parts of society.
We tried ignoring the Iranians and then they started Pirating the oil tankers. You cannot stick your head in the ground and pretend all the bad people will just go away unfortunately.
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When questioned, Mueller stated Trump did not interfere in any way with the investigation. It had also been previously reported that Trump Instructed everyone in his admin. to cooperate with the investigation.
0 evidence of obstruction. Much evidence to the contrary. Everyone who now speaks of obstruction should immediately be told to shut up and shit down.

30 seconds in on this vid.

Investigation not curtailed.

Investigation not stopped.

Investigation not Hindered.

So obstruction did not happen. End of story.
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I see you have a firm grasp on the rule of law there.
I'm talking about publicly, take a fucking stand against their behavior and maybe some of the other cunts in office will join you. Just say NO, we are done with your bullshit", the American people will love you and support you, well the ones not swinging left "
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPW1MAiYb6Q&t=47s

30 seconds in on this vid.

Investigation not curtailed.

Investigation not stopped.

Investigation not Hindered.

So obstruction did not happen. End of story.
"But, but, but, he is an evil orange man who made/makes Liberals/Socialists cry, so he must guilty of something". That is ShittySchiff's take anyways.

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I'm talking about publicly, take a fucking stand against their behavior and maybe some of the other cunts in office will join you. Just say NO, we are done with your bullshit", the American people will love you and support you, well the ones not swinging left "
Some have started to do this/ Trump, unlike past Rep POTUS's, has allowed them to act like humans do and should, unlike the past where they always had to take the high road and act like it didn't bother them, just as the shithead Dems wanted them to do.
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Robert Mueller Not ‘Being There’

This was

Chauncey Gardiner was always more up to speed

Not since Chauncey Gardiner has Washington, D.C., so overestimated a figure. Robert Swan (Song) Mueller exhibited a*Being There*quality on Wednesday.

Gardiner and Mueller, two creatures of the capital, long served as blank screens upon which everybody projected sundry delusions. But the same swamp things that wanted to put Gardiner in the presidency now seek to put Mueller out to pasture.

A Geraldo-opening-Al-Capone’s-vault vibe reverberated through the House Judiciary and Intelligence Committees on Wednesday. Cable news played up Mueller as a white knight saving America from Donald Trump. As it turned out, the special counsel, so eager to interrogate others, performed poorly when transitioning from interrogator to interrogated.

When Democrat Greg Stanton mixed*This Is Your Life*with*Jeopardy*in asking a series of softball queries with known answers about Mueller’s résumé, he unexpectedly tripped up the special counsel who answered wrong on the president responsible for appointing him acting U.S. attorney for Massachusetts. When Republican Doug Collins described collusion and conspiracy as “essentially synonymous” terms, Mueller responded with a firm “No” — and then Collins quoted from Mueller’s own report characterizing the two terms as “largely synonymous.” Republican Steve Chabot brought up Fusion GPS — the shadowy firm employed by the Clinton campaign to help launder contributions to a foreign spy digging up dirt, real and imagined, on Donald Trump — the special counsel amazingly responded: “I am not familiar with, with that.” Democrats Ted Lieu coaxed Mueller into claiming that his refusal to recommend indicting the president stemmed from Justice Department Office of Legal Counsel rules preventing such legal action against a sitting president. Upon returning to testify to the Intelligence Committee, Mueller retracted this earlier claim. He conceded that “we did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime.”

More so than on substance, Mueller failed in style. He offered mumbling, monosyllabic answers when he provided answers at all. Here, Judiciary Chairman Adam Schiff asked, “Could you speak into the mic?” There, Mueller asked, “Could you repeat the question?” It went on, painfully, like this for hours.

This man held the Trump presidency hostage for 678 days?

Mueller’s lack of familiarity with his own report, listlessness, and ignorance of very basic players in the scandal such as Fusion GPS reinforced a long-held fear that partisans used the respected lawman as a Trojan Horse to provide cover for the politicization of a legal inquiry. Mueller’s staff included Trump hater Peter Strzok (for a time) and lawyers — 13 registered Democrats and zero registered Republicans — who gave $23 to Democrats for every $1 they gave Republicans.

Perhaps more so than Mueller, those projecting their fantasies upon him evoke Chauncey Gardiner. “I like to watch TV,” Gardiner explained. Mueller’s fan club does, too. And in watching, and neglecting to read his report (“I can’t read,” Gardiner also explained), they anticipated his testimony as the beginning of the end of the Trump presidency. What gave them this idea? From Watching TV, where talking heads ginned up high expectations for higher ratings, and certainly not from reading the report, which found no evidence of collusion and did not recommend indictments on obstruction.

“There’s something about him that I can trust,” Melvyn Douglas’s Ben Rand explains about Chauncey. “He makes me feel good.” Many, before Wednesday, reacted to Robert Mueller that way. The Peter Sellers-played character, according to admirers, speaks eight languages, holds medical and law degrees, and likely served as a clandestine agent. The media fawns over Gardiner despite him saying little if anything at all. He walks on water. Sound familiar?

Whereas Gardiner could, to great delight, watch*Mr. Rogers’s Neighborhood,*The Gong Show, the animated film*Basketball Jones, exercise programs, and even commercials, few took such pleasure in Mueller’s performance on their small screens. The Associated Press*reported*that “his long-awaited testimony before Congress on Wednesday did not come alive as a television show.” In the interpretive fashion of*Being There,*CNN.com*asked,*“Why won’t Mueller say what he really thinks?” NBC’s Chuck Todd opined, “On optics, this was a disaster.”



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What is there to the Mueller report that Trump intended to commit obstruction but didn't only because his staff said no? Is that obstruction or is that just a democrat interpretation of the Mueller report?
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What is there to the Mueller report that Trump intended to commit obstruction but didn't only because his staff said no? Is that obstruction or is that just a democrat interpretation of the Mueller report?
In Part II of the report, there are about 7 or so issues that Mueller stated they could not determine if a crime had or hadn't been committed, which they shouldn't have even been addressed at all. However, seeing how they had zero connections between Trump/his people and the Russian, part 2 was Weissmann and his "Army of Angry Douches", attempt to pull a Comey. Prosecutors, for the most part, are power trippers, who don't care if you are guilty or not, they just care if they have enough evidence to prosecute you, or can financially force you into pleading out, something they could not do with Trump. With Trump, Mueller's team was subservient to Trump's authority, so they couldn't force him to do anything, nor spend him into submission, all they could do was serve up this obstruction bullshit for their douchebag counterparts in the House.

Simply put, you can't obstruct an investigation that you can't be forced to comply with, terminate at will, fire the investigators, deny investigators access to documents and Executive branch employees, limit what the employees can say to investigators, redact what you want to in any documents sent to the investigators, let alone be charged by the investigators with any crime they uncovered due to the investigators having no authority over you.

The only investigation that any POTUS can obstruct, is an investigation conducted by the the House of Reps after they vote to start Impeachment hearings, and not under any act by Congress like was done with the Independent Counsel's office.

Also, if you treat past Impeachment hearings as case law, obstruction does not meet that level as Clinton clearly obstructed justice in the Lewinsky matter, yet the Senate did not confirm(convict) of the Impeachment by the House, as well as that only crimes committed while in your current office can be used for Impeachment, not acts prior to being sworn in.
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