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Old 08-16-2019, 09:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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This country needs a third party... an actual contender to run for POTUS

There. I said it.

Seriously... this 2 party system has a stranglehold on us. We need new blood in the form of an Independent or Libertarian that is actually a strong contender.
I think the time is right, and honestly I believe most the rational populous of the Republic would welcome it. Discuss?
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I mean seriously... is Howard Schultz the best we can do outside of the 2 standard parties? Arvin Vohra?


Yah, we're fawked.
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will be tough when the two main parties control the big debates. they wont allow third parties to the debate unless they meet a ridiculous threshold
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Meh, Trump would fuck it's skull.
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You don't want 3 parties. You want 4. The ol' political compass isn't 2D.

Not that it even works with 4. We have essentially 4 federal parties and it's not a great representation of political diversity.
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Flecker for president
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You don't want 3 parties. You want 4. The ol' political compass isn't 2D.

Not that it even works with 4. We have essentially 4 federal parties and it's not a great representation of political diversity.
I was just about to post the same thing. More does not mean moar bettah. We have one party which is pretty much the same as the R and then the rest are varying degrees of bat shit crazy D.

Our batshit crazy fucking parties split up the vote so fucking bad that one of them is bound to win it.

I would much rather prefer the U.S. version to what we got going on up here.
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The absolute last thing this country needs is another division to fight about right now.

The 2-Party system is probably heading off a Revolution right now.
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The absolute last thing this country needs is another division to fight about right now.

The 2-Party system is probably heading off a Revolution right now.
Your an idiot. And a pussy.

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Your an idiot. And a pussy.

What a reasoned and measured riposte to my point. Thank you for this stimulating debate.
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What a reasoned and measured riposte to my point. Thank you for this stimulating debate.
No Prob...

How's this for reasoning. Maybe what we need is discord, and a version of POTUS that better represents what neither side of the two party system offers. Maybe civil disobedience and mild revolution is exactly what this country is beckoning for. To water that mighty tree of liberty so many take for granted. Maybe some guys just aren't cut out for conflict against tyranny and drum up half baked measures to try and keep a status quo for something they know will inevitably be diminished beyond recovery. The same types of unconscientious objectors that are willing to arbitrarily sacrifice their freedoms for securities...

Again. Your just a pussy.
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Trump is as close to 3rd party we will get. Hated by the Dems and disliked by many Repubs. Anyways, do you really think both parties, Dems and Repubs would work with an independent President? Fuck no. The independents would have to be a majority in both houses and I sure as hell don't ever see that happening. I can see socialists in there before an independent party is.
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No Prob...

How's this for reasoning. Maybe what we need is discord, and a version of POTUS that better represents what neither side of the two party system offers. Maybe civil disobedience and mild revolution is exactly what this country is beckoning for. To water that mighty tree of liberty so many take for granted. Maybe some guys just aren't cut out for conflict against tyranny and drum up half baked measures to try and keep a status quo for something they know will inevitably be diminished beyond recovery. The same types of unconscientious objectors that are willing to arbitrarily sacrifice their freedoms for securities...

Again. Your just a pussy.
You sound confused. How does a 3rd Party equate to watering the tree of liberty with blood? Are you for internal political change or external?
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Best chance for a 3rd party was 2016, there really was an opportunity to have a significant impact and they ran Gary Johnson who came across as a pro drug uninformed retard. His performance was worse than previous elections and with Hitlery and drumph to run against they really dropped the ball.

As others have said even if you do get a 3rd party elected to president they won't be able to get anything done. The Washington establishment will fight them tooth and nail.
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Since JFK, most game changing candidates have been run out before they got to the ballot.

EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Through very different means, as the 'case' warranted.

Go look.
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You don't want 3 parties. You want 4. The ol' political compass isn't 2D.

Not that it even works with 4. We have essentially 4 federal parties and it's not a great representation of political diversity.
This...

The problem with a 3rd party, is all it does is cannibalizes votes from one of the current two parties. All 3rd parties do is reduce the total votes for either republican/democrat, allowing the opponent to win.

But 4 parties would balance that out...or seriously fawk one side if the two new parties were really hitting on one of the major two.
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This...

The problem with a 3rd party, is all it does is cannibalizes votes from one of the current two parties. All 3rd parties do is reduce the total votes for either republican/democrat, allowing the opponent to win.

But 4 parties would balance that out...or seriously fawk one side if the two new parties were really hitting on one of the major two.
The problem you don't even realize here is the bullshit LEFT OR RIGHT paradigm.

Which has ALWAYS been false and simplistic but TOTALLY SOLD as the only WAY OF THINKING.
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Quick question:

Am I the only one who gets terribly bored of all the cliche political shit posted here? Ideas are shit. Execution is absolutely everything, so what are you doing that your great great grandfather didn't do to manifest your political ideologies? (Other than posting on PBB)
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The Congress is really in charge of the stuff that matters most..A President with no Congressional support has no power...
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The Corporations are really in charge of the stuff that matters most..A President with no Congressional support has no power...
Fixed.

Pretty much a <fill in the blank> ideological structure where money reigns.

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Here, now, at this time in history... it is a fucking pipe dream.

Right now, anyone who votes "3rd party" because they hope for changes, is just throwing away their vote to the enemy. Might as well go full democrap at that point, you are helping their side out.
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There. I said it.

Seriously... this 2 party system has a stranglehold on us. We need new blood in the form of an Independent or Libertarian that is actually a strong contender.
I think the time is right, and honestly I believe most the rational populous of the Republic would welcome it. Discuss?
All the best! What are you calling your new party?
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The problem with a 3rd party, is all it does is cannibalizes votes from one of the current two parties. All 3rd parties do is reduce the total votes for either republican/democrat, allowing the opponent to win.

But 4 parties would balance that out...or seriously fawk one side if the two new parties were really hitting on one of the major two.

The republican party was a third party in 1856. In 1861 there was a republican president.
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